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« on: July 19, 2008, 05:27:41 AM »
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I'm aware that there is a relatively new continuous ink supply (CIS) system available for the Epson 3800.  If anyone on this forum has any experience/knowledge either directly or indirectly relative to the pros and cons of this system, please elaborate or provide direction where I might find such information.  Thank you.

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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2008, 05:48:30 PM »
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I'm aware that there is a relatively new continuous ink supply (CIS) system available for the Epson 3800.  If anyone on this forum has any experience/knowledge either directly or indirectly relative to the pros and cons of this system, please elaborate or provide direction where I might find such information.  Thank you.

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I was using inkrepublic r2400 before and quiet happy with their solution and inks. The  support guys are very responsive, and will go the extra mile to make sure you are taken care of. Great company to deal with.

I sold my r2400 printer and cis on craiglist and switched to 3800 couple months ago, then got a 3800 cis from inkrepublic. I was really stressing because I dont want to ruin an expensive printer and I believe I got one of the first or second batch. There was no feedbacks or reference online yet.

The new ink from inkrepublic is "IRK3" which is different from the one I was using in their r2400 cis back to 2006.

I have print a lot of prints and first thing I noticed is much more improved gloss on Ilford and Costco gloss papers. The old inkrepublic's R2400 ink's was not as glossy as OEM's. Lyson's is about 95% as glossy as OEM's as I did compared it with my friend's lyson's inks. Now with inkrepublic's IRK3 ink, gloss is better than lyson's and very close to epson's (probably identical).

The new IRK3 colors match perfectly. In addition, there is a "lot less time doing proofing" because the proof colors in Photoshop are very close to the colors on the screen.

Also, I see great improvement on both reds and blues as well as the skin tones! The new IRK3 ink is excellent!

Overall this 3800 ink system is working great and results are excellent, color reproduction is really good, I have done a lot of  tests with Epson profiles and they are very very very good, colors are spot on with what I have on the screen. Bottom line is, I can use Epson profiles as they promised and get very good results.

It is also easy to reset ink levels and waste ink level.  I hope this helps.
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2008, 02:47:45 PM »
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I was using inkrepublic r2400 before and quiet happy with their solution and inks. The  support guys are very responsive, and will go the extra mile to make sure you are taken care of. Great company to deal with.

I sold my r2400 printer and cis on craiglist and switched to 3800 couple months ago, then got a 3800 cis from inkrepublic. I was really stressing because I dont want to ruin an expensive printer and I believe I got one of the first or second batch. There was no feedbacks or reference online yet.

The new ink from inkrepublic is "IRK3" which is different from the one I was using in their r2400 cis back to 2006.

I have print a lot of prints and first thing I noticed is much more improved gloss on Ilford and Costco gloss papers. The old inkrepublic's R2400 ink's was not as glossy as OEM's. Lyson's is about 95% as glossy as OEM's as I did compared it with my friend's lyson's inks. Now with inkrepublic's IRK3 ink, gloss is better than lyson's and very close to epson's (probably identical).

The new IRK3 colors match perfectly. In addition, there is a "lot less time doing proofing" because the proof colors in Photoshop are very close to the colors on the screen.

Also, I see great improvement on both reds and blues as well as the skin tones! The new IRK3 ink is excellent!

Overall this 3800 ink system is working great and results are excellent, color reproduction is really good, I have done a lot of  tests with Epson profiles and they are very very very good, colors are spot on with what I have on the screen. Bottom line is, I can use Epson profiles as they promised and get very good results.

It is also easy to reset ink levels and waste ink level.  I hope this helps.
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I appreciate your taking the time to respond to my inquiry.  I just received my 3800 last week and I am anxious to save money on ink while still having excellent quality prints.  I've been using an Epson 4000 for about 3 years with funnel fill 220 ml cartridges and it has been great, except for the constant clogging which is characteristic of the 4000.  The 4000 finally needs repairs and I thought this is an ideal time to upgrade to the better print quality of the 3800, especially now that a CIS exists for it.

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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2008, 03:00:49 PM »
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I had (have) a MediaStreet Niagara CIS system for the Canon IP9500. Long story short: after hundreds of test prints and numerous support emails I was never able to get rid of atrocious banding - and they even refused a refund. I was too disgusted to even dispute the charges, and now I have a 100+ USD messy paperweight.

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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2008, 03:19:24 PM »
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Hola,
Why don't you get a CIS and then use Epson inks from 220ml carts? This is what I have done with my 2200 for the last 5 years with excellent results, until the last 6 months when some of the carts needed replacing. I should have replaced all of them as it would have solved a lot of problems as various carts failed at different times.

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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2008, 03:24:54 PM »
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I had (have) a MediaStreet Niagara CIS system for the Canon IP9500. Long story short: after hundreds of test prints and numerous support emails I was never able to get rid of atrocious banding - and they even refused a refund. I was too disgusted to even dispute the charges, and now I have a 100+ USD messy paperweight.

YMMV
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Are all "CIS" Systems about the same? It's all about the "ink" you put in them,right?
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2008, 03:28:56 PM »
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Are all "CIS" Systems about the same? It's all about the "ink" you put in them,right?
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Of course they are not the same. My experience was a data point, nothing more. I used MediaStreet's own inks.
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2008, 06:02:12 PM »
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Of course they are not the same. My experience was a data point, nothing more. I used MediaStreet's own inks.
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I am interested only in the CIS system(s) for the Epson 3800, so please keep this discussion on target.  Thanks!

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I am interested only in the CIS system(s) for the Epson 3800, so please keep this discussion on target.  Thanks!

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Is there anyone else out there who has direct experience with a bulk ink/CIS system for the Epson 3800?  I would like to get as much feedback as possible before purchasing a system for my 3800.  Thank you.

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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2009, 07:54:51 PM »
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I know this is an old old post but I just want to give you guys a headsup.
I got InkRepublic's newsletter the other day saying that they have been shipping a new 3800 refillable cartridge system for a month and have been getting excellent feedbacks from many 3800 users.
The new 3800 refillable system called i-Refill, and allows you reset ink levels whenever you want and allows you reset waste ink tank to empty when it's full, that means you can reuse it from time to time.
the new refillable cart is here
http://www.inkrepublic.com/3800-iRefill.asp
and the installation and operation tip can be found from their knowledge base as well
http://www.inkrepublic.com/KnowledgeBase/3...irefill-faq.asp

It looks really easy and straightforward. It's also nice to have larger cartridges, 150ml, than epson's 3800 cart, 80ml.
I hope this helps.
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2009, 03:26:53 AM »
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Is there anyone else out there who has direct experience with a bulk ink/CIS system for the Epson 3800?  I would like to get as much feedback as possible before purchasing a system for my 3800.  Thank you.

David

here is one of them, original post
http://www.inkrepublic.com/members/JoostHorsten/review.asp


Review InkRepublic Pro 3800 i-Refill system
Three weeks I received one of the very first copies of InkRepublics Pro 3800 i-Refill cartridge systems. They sent me that as a replacement for their 3800 CIS that I purchased a while ago and that I was installing after the OEM cartridges ran out. During the CIS installation, I asked their Customer Care department a few questions. It turned out that they were just launching the i-Refill system and offered to send this a replacement. A fabulous service! I've the system up and running now for two weeks and like to share some experiences.

First impressions
The kit came with empty cartridges, ink bottles, spare ink bottles, replacement parts, a "switch key" (plastic device to trick the 3800 that the ink cartridge cover is closed), gloves and some spare parts. As my kit was one of the first to ship, there was no documentation yet. By now, a very good FAQ is available. The cartridges are large and make a well-made, sturdy impression. Two cartridges (PK and LK) contain a chip, the other not yet.

Installation
It's important to realize that you DO need your OEM cartridges! When buying the CIS I counted on selling the original cartridges on eBay. However, you need these 1) to prime your system and 2) for their chips. So that was a bit of a set-back… The installation is actually rather simple. Transferring and "modifying" (taping off one of the contacts) of the chips from the OEM cartridges to the i-Refill ones (except PK and LK) was easy. Placing and filling the cartridges couldn't be simpler. The only issue I encountered was that I got quite some trapped air in the system. Prior to installation I had a perfect nozzle check, but it took me a lot of cleaning cycles (~15) distributed over two days to get there again. (Note that it does not make sense to have more than two cleaning cycles shortly after one another. Sometimes the system just needs to settle itself). According to InkRepublic this is not normal behaviour. Perhaps the priming procedure needs to be reviewed. It was a bit of nuisance, but I was confident I would get there in the end and I was not disappointed. From then on the system worked very good. After 200 prints, I did a nozzle recheck and found some very minor issues that disappeared after one cleaning cycle. I have not yet refilled the system yet, but I do not expect this to happen again as the cartridges are primed now.

Chip resetting
The chip reset procedure is a bit peculiar and non-intuitive (I will probably always need the instructions at hand) but fairly simple nevertheless. The reset strategy is actually rather smart. The ink cartridges are reset manually and simultaneously (without the need of chip resetter). So this can be done just prior a big print job. The maintenance cartridge can only be reset when it's full. This makes sense as you have to take it out and clean it anyhow. (Note that the content of the ink cartridges is much larger then the OEM ones, so the ink level as displayed has no relationship with the actual ink level anyhow).

Ink refilling
Ink refilling is very simple. Cartridges can remain in the printer. Just unscrew the plug (after proper depressurization) and pour in the ink. Much easier than I have experienced with other (cheaper) refillable cartridges (for my Epson 2100 and R285). No mess.
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2009, 05:26:04 AM »
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Is there anyone else who uses that i-Refill for a 3800? That printer has been such a bestseller that I can hardly believe there are only so few people trying to escape Epson's absurd ink prices.
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2009, 08:33:41 AM »
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I can see the need for 150ml cartridges for some of you, but I wished they offered 80ml too.
I personally like having the cart door closed.
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2009, 11:48:39 AM »
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Is there a generic may to reset the Epson wide format maintenance tanks?  I have a 4000 and a 4880.  I recently had to buy a new maintenance tank for the 4000, but I kept the old one to clean and add new filler.  But I need to know how to reset it.

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Is there a generic may to reset the Epson wide format maintenance tanks?  I have a 4000 and a 4880.  I recently had to buy a new maintenance tank for the 4000, but I kept the old one to clean and add new filler.  But I need to know how to reset it.

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MIS Associates (inksupply.com) sells a chip re-setter for the Epson maintenance tank.  It's cheap and works well.  I use cotton balls as an absorbent.

Whatever you do, don't compare the weight of a new MT with a full one. : )


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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2009, 11:00:44 PM »
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New to the 3800 club, what 3rd party ink do you guys recommend or heard works very well with this printer?

Also, I noticed inksupply.com doesn't stock a chip resetter for the maintenance tank on this printer, are there any other solutions out there rather than buying  an oem product?
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2009, 06:17:07 PM »
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New to the 3800 club, what 3rd party ink do you guys recommend or heard works very well with this printer?

I think InkRepuiblic's 3800 IRK4-nano inkset is a really good choice. My friend has printed a number of his works, and the results have been good. He also printed 2 small 4x6 photos on gloss premium photo paper and mailed to me. The photos look good too, so no complaints about the ink so far. no clogging problem, ink flow is great.

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Also, I noticed inksupply.com doesn't stock a chip resetter for the maintenance tank on this printer, are there any other solutions out there rather than buying  an oem product?

according to inkrepublic's 3800 faq, if you tape off the maintenance tank chip, you should be able to reset it manually?
http://www.inkrepublic.com/KnowledgeBase/3...irefill-faq.asp

but I dont know if this is possible without inkrepublic's control chips?
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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2009, 11:30:17 AM »
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MIS Associates (inksupply.com) sells a chip re-setter for the Epson maintenance tank.  It's cheap and works well.  I use cotton balls as an absorbent.

Whatever you do, don't compare the weight of a new MT with a full one. : )
Thanks Peter, I missed your reply.  I'll check them out.  As I now have 4000 and a 4880 it should be worthwhile.
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2009, 09:04:37 PM »
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I think InkRepuiblic's 3800 IRK4-nano inkset is a really good choice. My friend has printed a number of his works, and the results have been good. He also printed 2 small 4x6 photos on gloss premium photo paper and mailed to me. The photos look good too, so no complaints about the ink so far. no clogging problem, ink flow is great.



according to inkrepublic's 3800 faq, if you tape off the maintenance tank chip, you should be able to reset it manually?
http://www.inkrepublic.com/KnowledgeBase/3...irefill-faq.asp

but I dont know if this is possible without inkrepublic's control chips?
TY!

I heard some great things about Image Specialists inkset so I ordered a set. Regarding the maintenance tank, it looks like that reset procedure only works with their chips but I might give it a try anyway when mine is full. Thnx for pointing it out!
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