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« Reply #80 on: August 01, 2008, 10:56:51 AM »
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Hello Eric
If you did, you would know that Hasselblad is giving them away for free, and i havent even tried their backs and probably will not in the future.  

If you can show me a Schneider 40/3.5 for AFi/hy6 without barreldistortion and CA, then i will give you a good price or ill give you mine and a beer when you are in Berlin or Copenhagen.

Facts!.............well a long time ago people thoght it was a fact that the world was flat.  
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Actually their backs are pretty good, and I think their distortion correction software is a good idea. btw - I shot this image with the schneider 40mm f/3.5  - sorry for the crap resize for web but still...

And yeah, I really was hoping for something more square in the newly announced sensors - the new Leaf is not for me!
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« Reply #81 on: August 01, 2008, 10:59:24 AM »
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Brilliant shot to prove the lack of CA & Barrel distortion, you sure you don't work for a communication agency?  
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« Reply #82 on: August 01, 2008, 11:06:13 AM »
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Brilliant shot to prove the lack of CA & Barrel distortion, you sure you don't work for a communication agency? 
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Thanks!  I really need to move away from art and do something commercial.....
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« Reply #83 on: August 01, 2008, 03:37:39 PM »
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Actually their backs are pretty good, and I think their distortion correction software is a good idea. btw - I shot this image with the schneider 40mm f/3.5  - sorry for the crap resize for web but still...

And yeah, I really was hoping for something more square in the newly announced sensors - the new Leaf is not for me!
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Eric nice shot, it reminds me of an artist called Kirsten Justesen.
The black and white photo is actually a Box with the photo inside, and has been exhibited in New York recently.

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and Eric, there is no beer for you.
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« Reply #84 on: August 01, 2008, 05:46:39 PM »
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Eric nice shot, it reminds me of an artist called Kirsten Justesen.
The black and white photo is actually a Box with the photo inside, and has been exhibited in New York recently.

Ruth Bernhard did a wonderful and seminal series of the nude in a box in the early 60's which has inspired many others since.

Now just look at that wide format!  
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« Reply #85 on: August 01, 2008, 05:50:15 PM »
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Actually their backs are pretty good, and I think their distortion correction software is a good idea. btw - I shot this image with the schneider 40mm f/3.5  - sorry for the crap resize for web but still...

And yeah, I really was hoping for something more square in the newly announced sensors - the new Leaf is not for me!
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Nice image.

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« Reply #86 on: August 01, 2008, 06:37:50 PM »
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Ruth Bernhard did a wonderful and seminal series of the nude in a box in the early 60's which has inspired many others since.

Now just look at that wide format!   
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Agreed, that format looks much more pleasing  
I think Ruth´s project has some very aesthetic values. She allso followed a tradition of exploring the nude, where as Kirstens box had a more political agenda. It is from the 60´s and it is the artist herself in the pictures. It´s not meant to be a beautypicture. I read it as a woman konfined in a box, like suppresion of femminen sexuality ect.
Funny how Ruth Bernhard denied any relation to sexuality in her work. But beautifull it is.
Sorry for the off topic nonsens. I think leaf has made the new square, but for now my money are on phase.
 
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« Reply #87 on: August 01, 2008, 06:48:24 PM »
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Berg,

It's not Bernhard in the pictures herself, it is a model she often worked with.

At any rate, I was discussing the new leaf format in the owner of a camera store in NYC today and we both had the same idea about the format: that one of the determining (or limiting) issues for the proportions might be the rotation.  If the frame would be square or "squarer" it might not rotate inside the back.  
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« Reply #88 on: August 01, 2008, 07:09:01 PM »
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Berg,

It's not Bernhard in the pictures herself, it is a model she often worked with.

At any rate, I was discussing the new leaf format in the owner of a camera store in NYC today and we both had the same idea about the format: that one of the determining (or limiting) issues for the proportions might be the rotation.  If the frame would be square or "squarer" it might not rotate inside the back.   
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Bryan i know it is not Ruth in the picture, i was referring to Kirstens work.... sorry about my english.....
You are probably right about the sensor not beeing able to rotate.....very interesting. I allso think there is some economy at play here. Leaf and Phase representetives have told me that the more square the sensor is the more expensive it is to produce. Something to do with how they cut the cake(waffer or whatever its called). The slimmer the chip is the easyer it is to get a got one from the waffer. You can probably also place more on the same space.
All of this must make it cheaper to produce.
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« Reply #89 on: August 01, 2008, 08:47:20 PM »
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Berg,

It's not Bernhard in the pictures herself, it is a model she often worked with.

At any rate, I was discussing the new leaf format in the owner of a camera store in NYC today and we both had the same idea about the format: that one of the determining (or limiting) issues for the proportions might be the rotation.  If the frame would be square or "squarer" it might not rotate inside the back.   
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I must be missing something, but why would you need to rotate a square sensor?

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« Reply #90 on: August 01, 2008, 08:50:15 PM »
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I must be missing something, but why would you need to rotate a square sensor?

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maybe a round sensor ....
you could rotate it during the exposure, couldnt you?
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« Reply #91 on: August 01, 2008, 09:32:22 PM »
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I must be missing something, but why would you need to rotate a square sensor?

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Because it wont be square but "sguarer" as Bryan writes.
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« Reply #92 on: August 02, 2008, 04:30:49 PM »
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...., and maybe because golden ratio absolutely doesn't matter in case of frame proportion
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Which is true .

As for the upcoming Leaf 2:3 format, that's good news. It means that there is no point upgrading my A75 anytime soon  .
2:3 is just some relic from back then, when some moron decided to double the number of perforation holes used by movie cameras and made it the standard for 35mm still cameras.
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« Reply #93 on: August 02, 2008, 05:46:02 PM »
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2:3 is just some relic from back then, when some moron decided to double the number of perforation holes used by movie cameras and made it the standard for 35mm still cameras.
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Hey, you callin' Oscar a moron?  
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« Reply #94 on: August 04, 2008, 04:38:18 PM »
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I must be missing something, but why would you need to rotate a square sensor?

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« Reply #95 on: August 06, 2008, 10:55:06 AM »
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Alright wise guys..

My point was that the potential reason that the new sensor that leaf is using is of 2:3.1 proportions is that  the rotation of the sensor inside the back of a more square proportion would not clear the sides of the back.   And because you are so visual I drew you a picture.  Cheers.


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« Reply #96 on: August 06, 2008, 02:30:46 PM »
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This was my comment too on July 29th just after the anouncement.
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....showtopic=26907

It immediately made me think that this new format was just a physical limitation for the rotating sensor operation. If this is so, why not to add a turntable-like round mount? It may look funny but if wisely designed, it could well look kind of cool.

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Alright wise guys..

My point was that the potential reason that the new sensor that leaf is using is of 2:3.1 proportions is that  the rotation of the sensor inside the back of a more square proportion would not clear the sides of the back.   And because you are so visual I drew you a picture.  Cheers.
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« Reply #97 on: August 06, 2008, 03:16:10 PM »
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I think you are both quite right. This is a good argument for a square chip, 56x56mm or whatever fits inside the outer case, no need for rotation, no need for unnecessary rotating mechanisms and the freedom to crop (or not). Then they could devise electronic masking of the chip (in sync with the viewfinder), for those who want rectangular shapes. It would satisfy everybody and I guess it would be tremendously popular.


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