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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2008, 07:18:56 AM »
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I own the 35, 45, 80, 120, 150 & 55-110. The 55-110 gets used most of the time & I really enjoy using the 35. For Macro work the 120 is a must. The 80 is very good & the 45 is excellent but it doesn't get used much, just not a focal length I use much. The new 45-90 seems like an idea range for this new zoom. As far as Mamiya lenses on eBay in the past year it is about half, I think buyers are picking them up with the Phase/Mamiya relationship.
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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2008, 02:54:03 PM »
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BTW, does anybody know where one can get a used I-adapter for AFD?
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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2008, 09:33:13 AM »
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A few more questions:
1) Are the focusing screens form older models compatible with AFD?
2) Has anybody used TTL flashes from other brands with AFD on a hot shoe  (like canon's 580ex)? The manual says doing so may damage the camera. I have used 580ex on my bronica sq-ai and it works fine in manual mode (though prism's meter gets crazy but it seems quite simple to figure out the right compensation). Is it safe to do this on AFD?
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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2008, 10:52:11 AM »
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A few more questions:
1) Are the focusing screens form older models compatible with AFD?
2) Has anybody used TTL flashes from other brands with AFD on a hot shoe  (like canon's 580ex)? The manual says doing so may damage the camera. I have used 580ex on my bronica sq-ai and it works fine in manual mode (though prism's meter gets crazy but it seems quite simple to figure out the right compensation). Is it safe to do this on AFD?
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AK,

Lot's of good comments thus far.  I'll add my two cents.  I previously owned a AF.  I wouldn't recommend it for anything digital.  I then bought an AFD and this was truly a step up.  I just recently purchased Jack's AFDII and this brings the menu of customizable options to the upgrade.  Focus is ever-so slightly faster than the AFD.  

I own the 55mm, 80mm, 150mm, 55-110mm and the 110-210mm lenses.  The primes give the best image quality and the 55mm is downright wonderful for the price.  The 80 is very solid too.  The 55-110 is a good, but not great, quality "walkaround" lens if you're looking for that.  

AK, since I 'upgraded' to the AFDII, I'm considering selling my AFD with an 80mm prime lens very soon (next week when I return to CA).  If you are interested, PM me. I can cut a good deal, since Jack gave me a solid deal on his AFDII.  

Regarding your questions above, I'd stick to the AFD and newer focusing screens but the system is the same from the AF thru the AFDIII (I'm nearly positive on this). Regarding flash units, I'd recommend using a Metz system.  I use a 54zi with the SCA adapter and it works quite well for a stand alone, system directly attached to the camera.  You find the  Metz systems on the 'Bay every once in a while.

My ultimate opinion is that the AFD system is a great entry into MF digital work. Good luck and enjoy!

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« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2008, 11:26:04 AM »
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Focusing screens from the AF may fit in the AFD, but I'm not positive about that. I am also pretty sure that screens from pre-AF bodies will not fit in the AFD.   For sure, all AFD screens can be interchanged among AFD1, 2 or 3 bodies.

As for flash, the foot pins on Canon are significantly different from Mamiya --- in fact, the Mamiya TTL pin arrangement is unlike any other camera as far as I know.  Anyway, you would need a flash with an Auto mode and hot shoe or pc connection.  So like Josh said, I would recommend the Metz.

FWIW, I use a 54MZ3 with the 3952 foot and have full TTL compatibility and get great exposures with my AFD3 body and Phase back.  

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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2008, 12:03:11 PM »
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Focusing screens from the AF/AFD/II should all be compatible.  There were only minor differences between the AF and AFD, with an available upgrade from the AF guts to the AFD.  see, www.mamiya.com  

Outside of using studio strobes, another option to the Metz is using the Quantum Q Flash system.   I still have the original Model T and T2 that work great---same great quality of light as the current T5D without all the bells and whistles. I like the parabolic reflector and available modifiers.  I never shoot TTL, so no need to upgrade.  Quantum does make a ttl module for the Model T2 that does work well with the AFD.  (Is it the QF 25??----I have a couple if you want....)
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« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2008, 02:26:11 PM »
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Thank you!
Just to clear thing up: I am getting an AFD I + AF80 + old 120macro + MF55 + possibly MF210 or CZJ 180

By older screens I meant the screens from M645 models. There are a lot of them on eBay and quite a few dedicated AF-ones. The screen that I am looking for is the microprism one.

As for the flash — I mainly use studio lights, but it would be certainly nice to have a chance to use the canon's flash, just in case I need it. BTW, I have used it on Bronica only once. Anyway, QFlash system sounds interesting. Ken, you said you have a couple of them?  

P.S. Josh, have sent you a PM
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« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2008, 05:01:37 PM »
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Thank you!
Just to clear thing up: I am getting an AFD I + AF80 + old 120macro + MF55 + possibly MF210 or CZJ 180

By older screens I meant the screens from M645 models. There are a lot of them on eBay and quite a few dedicated AF-ones. The screen that I am looking for is the microprism one.

As for the flash — I mainly use studio lights, but it would be certainly nice to have a chance to use the canon's flash, just in case I need it. BTW, I have used it on Bronica only once. Anyway, QFlash system sounds interesting. Ken, you said you have a couple of them?   

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FTR, there is a microprism screen for the AFD body -- I happen to have one

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« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2008, 11:22:46 PM »
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M645 screens will not work on the AF, AFD, etc. The M645 cameras had the screens made of glass and these were placed on the camera top under the viewfinders (prism or waist level).
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« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2008, 02:59:52 AM »
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BTW, could somebody post samples from 210mm lens (fully open) to see the bokeh. Just can't make a decision between it and CZJ 180/2.8. Thanks.
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« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2008, 05:55:58 AM »
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BTW, could somebody post samples from 210mm lens (fully open) to see the bokeh. Just can't make a decision between it and CZJ 180/2.8. Thanks.
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« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2008, 10:43:26 AM »
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BTW, could somebody post samples from 210mm lens (fully open) to see the bokeh. Just can't make a decision between it and CZJ 180/2.8. Thanks.
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I assume you mean the manual focus version since that's what you're looking to buy?
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« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2008, 11:39:56 AM »
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Yes, I am looking at the manual version. But do they differ so much optically?
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« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2008, 11:53:11 AM »
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Andrey, sorry this is a little OT but just wanted to say I think you have some great images on your site.  Love the feel you get.
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« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2008, 01:02:08 PM »
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Yes, I am looking at the manual version. But do they differ so much optically?
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As I understand it, the older MF 210 f4 lens is not made with ULD glass and was a total re-design altogether for the AF version.  Cannot speak directly to how they might differ in use as I've never shot the manual version.  I can tell you the AF 210/4 ULD is excellent and the 200 f2.8 manual focus lens is stellar too, but is of course is an APO design and larger.  

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« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2008, 08:55:46 AM »
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I see.. Anyway, I would appreciate if anybody could show samples from the older version of 210 (fullsize JPGs better).
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« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2008, 06:28:01 AM »
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An other question: how would you compare the IQ of the old 35mm prime and the new AF35?
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« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2008, 07:47:41 AM »
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An other question: how would you compare the IQ of the old 35mm prime and the new AF35?
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Dear All,

In regards to MF lenses, they are nearly all same optics as the newer AF lenses. One thing I just read the other day was that you can simply use the switch on an MF lens for step down metering, thus not needing to turn aperture ring for that! See here [a href=\"http://photo.net/medium-format-photography-forum/00QhEd]http://photo.net/medium-format-photography-forum/00QhEd[/url] That works great on my 80 f/1.9 and should so on the 120 micro.

Dear AK,

Perhaps you should clarify what MP of digital back you aim at. I had the 24mm fisheye before, while it was fine for a 21MP digital back, I found it too soft for a 28.6MP. The 28mm is stellar. My 55-110 AF appear very sharp. The 35mm AF was less sharp than my 55-110. All lenses appear as sharp wide open as closed down. They beat my old Nikkors, and in those I had top grade zooms.

Stepping up from AFD to AFDIII, the AFD was great camera. The AFDIII adds in order of importance to me, improved grip, faster AF (still not onpair with what my F100 was, but simply more useable AF), less bounce of mirror. Obvious used gear can be had for a steel if you are shrude...  

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« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2008, 09:55:47 AM »
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I am getting a hassy 22mp back, so should not make a problem. But I don't reject the possibility of a higher res upgrade in the future.

So a $300 MF35mm is optically the same as a $1300 AF one?)
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« Reply #39 on: September 05, 2008, 02:29:22 PM »
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I am getting a hassy 22mp back, so should not make a problem. But I don't reject the possibility of a higher res upgrade in the future.

So a $300 MF35mm is optically the same as a $1300 AF one?)
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Perhaps others can substantiate, but as far as I know, yes. Though I do recall reading something some time ago that it applied to the last generation of MF lenses. Here in Hong Kong the cost for a new MF lens is about half to that of a new AF.

Did you take a look at the Leaf Aptus 65 and Phase One P30 as comparison? They are crop sensors but newer technology than the 21MP sensors, also lower priced.    I am not sure if Hassy has equivalences? B.t.w. does Hassy back fit on the Mamiya 645?

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