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neil snape
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« on: August 27, 2008, 11:30:57 AM »
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I had the pleasure of testing this media early in June/July.

I did a lot of testing on the HP 9180 and found the results to be sublime for the contestable 8 ink set up. While making curves though for the shifts in composite colour greyscale printing you do notice things with the extra effort in adjustments for print neutrality. I have samples off Epson VM and they are that much better. I would like to see Canon prints on this too.

I did post the review for you to discover this new paper that is supposedly available now.
I've not found a better paper yet for both B&W and colour. Funny Hahnemuhle say it is designed as a B&W paper, but other than the less punchy side of other OBA enhanced media it has an excellent gamut and extended Dmax all around.

The mechanical properties are interesting too, but once again just as it is hard to describe image quality, the hand holding of a print is something you'll have to do yourselves.

I probably left out some details, so let me know what I can add over time.

http://www.neilsnape.com/HPR_Baryta_review.htm

Special thanks to Michael for posting this link in the news.
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2008, 12:40:33 PM »
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Thanks, Neil!!!

Looks like a great paper for the Z and GE.  I'm looking forward to printing on it.
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2008, 03:19:00 PM »
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I'm curious what if any differences there are between PR Baryta and FA Baryta other than the latter having some OBA's? To me your descrption of the PR's surface sounds pretty similar to the FA version.
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2008, 05:11:40 AM »
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I'm curious what if any differences there are between PR Baryta and FA Baryta other than the latter having some OBA's? To me your descrption of the PR's surface sounds pretty similar to the FA version.
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They are not at all the same. I don't really care for the FA much. I had samples sent to me but the surface is not what I think is ideal on the FA. The texture, stipple, glossiness are all very different.
Hahnemuhle do not have a similar surface yet in the other lines.
The paper base on PR Baryta is also different than FA B , being a yellower base more transparent, perhaps the pH is different too, (pH 8 on H PR .
The things I see similar are the top coating marks in the same way on both, the reflection density looks similar to when printed.
Problem with the gloss diff on FA B is reduced by a long shot on the new PR. Why or how I'm not sure. This being true on HP inks so prone to bronzing and gloss diff, all but eliminates these problems on Epson inks. That problem out of the way lets the print become so much closer to the ideal for inkjet prints for gallery display.
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2008, 10:13:51 AM »
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I had the pleasure of testing this media early in June/July.

I did a lot of testing on the HP 9180 and found the results to be sublime for the contestable 8 ink set up. While making curves though for the shifts in composite colour greyscale printing you do notice things with the extra effort in adjustments for print neutrality. I have samples off Epson VM and they are that much better. I would like to see Canon prints on this too.

I did post the review for you to discover this new paper that is supposedly available now.
I've not found a better paper yet for both B&W and colour. Funny Hahnemuhle say it is designed as a B&W paper, but other than the less punchy side of other OBA enhanced media it has an excellent gamut and extended Dmax all around.

The mechanical properties are interesting too, but once again just as it is hard to describe image quality, the hand holding of a print is something you'll have to do yourselves.

I probably left out some details, so let me know what I can add over time.

http://www.neilsnape.com/HPR_Baryta_review.htm

Special thanks to Michael for posting this link in the news.
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I haven't been able to find this in stock, anyone located a retailer selling this now?
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2008, 10:17:42 AM »
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Thanks heaps for the review Neil, very well done and xtremely informative!

Do you know where the paper can be bought from online? BH doesn't seem to have it yet on their site from what I could tell.

Thanks again.  

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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2008, 10:46:12 AM »
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That is disappointing. Before I went on holidays the Hahnemuhle contact here in Paris told me they had already stocked the distributors in the end of July.
It might be best to ask the local Hahnemuhle rep in your region. You can contact the people here;

http://www.hahnemuehle.com/site/us/830/contact-persons.html

I still haven't tried it in roll format. I hope that the roll format doesn't have an edge curl problem. I do think it is the type of paper that D curls easily. It is only on 3" cores in any case.
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2008, 10:48:55 AM »
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Yes, as usual, thank you Neil.

Just when I thought I was done testing and buying papers!      I spent about $2,000 testing 35 papers last winter.

I settled on the Hahnemuhle Fine Art Baryta in rolls. that was my second choice, behind the Epson Exhibition Fiber (in the US) which is not available in rolls.  My 3rd choice would be the Harman Glossy FB Ai.

The only Matte Black paper that I still use is the Moab Entrada Bright White.  I also use the Entrada Neutral a bit too. But I really do not mind the OBA's for my purposes - portfolio prints, etc.  Nothing that really gets framed and goes behind glass for the long term.

Neil, I see your comments above about the comaprisons of the 2 Hahnemuhle papers. I know this is a loaded question, but given my existing choice of the Hahnemuhle FAB, and the ranking of the papers above, does the Photo Rag Baryta sound like a good choice for me? (and others who have been down this same road ...)

I guess I am going to have to buy some of the Photo Rag Baryta to test either way.   With the new cameras, printers, etc., maybe I should just keep my head down and make images for a while!    

Thanks!

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Michael
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2008, 01:01:44 PM »
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Do you know where the paper can be bought from online?
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Bernard, after reading Neil's review I searched several sites before finding it at fineartinkjetpaper.com.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us Neil.

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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2008, 01:06:34 PM »
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Thanks for the comparison notes, Neil. Guess I'll have to try a sample of the new paper when it becomes more readily available.
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2008, 01:13:10 PM »
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Bernard, after reading Neil's review I searched several sites before finding it at fineartinkjetpaper.com.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us Neil.

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Fred,

I didn't see the Photo Rag Baryta there.  Is there a trick to finding it?
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2008, 04:46:04 PM »
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I didn't see the Photo Rag Baryta there.  Is there a trick to finding it?
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Try this [a href=\"http://www.fineartinkjetpaper.com/hahnemuhlefineartbaryta325gsm24x39roll-p-3757.html]link.[/url]

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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2008, 05:20:16 PM »
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Am I missing it?  These do not seem to be the ones; the specs indicate 315 GSM.  None of the papers on the link seem to match.

When I checked, ShadesOfPaper didn't have it either; maybe it's not generally available yet.

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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2008, 05:48:42 PM »
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Try this link.

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That's FineArt Baryta.  The review from Neil was about Photo Rag Baryta.  Kind of confusing but two different products.
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2008, 07:30:03 PM »
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Hi Neil,

Thanks for the great input once again.  Your review has really interested me in this paper.  If you recall, I started a thread a while back about papers without OBAs.  Now, after such a brief amount of time, it sounds like this may be the one I was looking for.  We'll see.  Like numerous other people in the US, I'm eagerly awaiting it showing up in stock here.

Kind Regards,

Mike
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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2008, 09:14:58 AM »
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For US residents that are interested in the PRB, I contacted Hahnemuhle's US division and received a very prompt reply stating that it will become available for ordering by US dealers in late Sept.  It was suggested that I pre-order now, but, since I'll probably want to play with a few samples before ordering more, I'll probably just wait until SOP has sample packs available, which hopefully will be soon after availability.

Kind Regards,

Mike
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2008, 10:32:58 AM »
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For those who care: I downloaded the profiles for H PR B for the 8850 and the 9180. Since someone told me Hahenmuhle recommend using the Photo Paper setting, I wanted to see what that would do. Sure enough, it restricts the ink limiting too much and the gamut suffers. On the 8850 (same printer as the 9180) it is not set to photo paper and the gamut is as expected.

The profile I put in the zip is for printing on Pro Satin which gives the best gamut of all.

For other inksets and brands I would say using settings for a paper like Exhibition Fibre, or Harman will be good.
Possibly the profiles for other Hahnemuhle Baryta are similar enough for use with this paper if you download them for your specific brand and model.
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2008, 03:56:54 PM »
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Wonder why the big discrepancy in prices between 36" and 44" rolls of this paper? A 36"x39' roll is about $200 and the 44" version is almost $350!
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2008, 06:07:00 PM »
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Wonder why the big discrepancy in prices between 36" and 44" rolls of this paper? A 36"x39' roll is about $200 and the 44" version is almost $350!
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It's probably a typo, as the 44" roll is usually priced around $250.  Check out any other seller of the Fine Art Baryta, like Shades of Paper.  (You realize that it wasn't a link for the PRB, right?)

Mike
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« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2008, 06:39:17 PM »
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Has anybody dry mounted any of the Han Baryta papers?  Any problems, does the nice surface quality survive?

Also, I assume one would use the Epson photo black ink, correct?
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