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neil snape
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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2008, 02:02:55 AM »
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Has anybody dry mounted any of the Han Baryta papers?  Any problems, does the nice surface quality survive?

Also, I assume one would use the Epson photo black ink, correct?
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I mounted a few already with hinge mounts printed on sheet paper.  I can't see any reason why it would hard. The paper is very paper like, not at all plastic, so tape, and glue sticks perfectly well. The surface as I said is quite scratch resistant, but more fragile in the sense of wet hands on the unprinted areas.
IF anyone knows a good online supplier of mounting materials that will ship to Europe please tell!
Yesterday I bought a roll of pH neutral mounting tape , Nescen filmoplast for 16.50 Euro>24.31$ US.
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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2008, 10:24:42 AM »
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IF anyone knows a good online supplier of mounting materials that will ship to Europe please tell!

You might try Frame Destinations:

http://www.framedestination.com/Default.aspx

The owner is a photographer who started the place because he could not find mats in a 2:3 ratio.  He posts online at one of the Yahoo groups sometimes - I forget which one, maybe Digital Arts?  Seems like a pretty good guy.  

He does USPS (US Postal Service), which is a relativly easy way to ship overseas for the sender. Not sure how good it is for the recipient.  

Otherwise Light Impressions is the gold standard.  A little more expensive:

http://www.lightimpressionsdirect.com/basicsearch.action

This is what it says about shipping:

For Alaska, Hawaii, and outside the Continental U.S., or if your order contains a truck ship item, do not use the chart above. Please call for rates.


Best,
Michael
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« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2008, 09:05:55 PM »
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Bernard, after reading Neil's review I searched several sites before finding it at fineartinkjetpaper.com.

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Thanks Fred.

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Bernard
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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2008, 07:15:10 AM »
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Hi Michael & Crew

I Have plenty Of this Paper on order. It reminds Me of Silver rag with out the scheen level. Its a Nice Cotton rag Sheet..

I'll Post on the forum once it arrives OK!

Hope all Had a Nice weekend!

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Jim Doyle
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« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2008, 07:28:27 AM »
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Thank you for the in-depth review Neil, I had settled on the FA Baryta but was not happy knowing it used OBA's. I recently received a couple of boxes of Harman's Gloss Warmtone (OBA free) and like it very much for certain images, but for others that require more "tooth" I look forward to trying this new paper.

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« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2008, 11:53:51 AM »
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I Have plenty Of this Paper on order. ....   

I'll Post on the forum once it arrives OK!

Thank you Jim, as always!    

Now that the wife is back at work and son back in school, I can start printing again. Hard with everyone home for the summer.  

Though I should probably get out and make images during Sept and Oct, before the grey doom and gloom set in for 6 months.  

Best,
Michael
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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2008, 07:15:08 AM »
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Neil, thanks for the review. I've been using the Harman papers exclusively since they appeared, before I used Hahnemuhle, but I've run into a problem with the larger sizes in that they refuse to lie flat when framed, ie they have "waves". I've used the 3M adhesive for dry mounting and the problem is still not completely solved. Admittedly I live in a fairly humid climate, but do you think the PR Baryta would be better in this respect?
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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2008, 07:25:27 AM »
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Neil, thanks for the review. I've been using the Harman papers exclusively since they appeared, before I used Hahnemuhle, but I've run into a problem with the larger sizes in that they refuse to lie flat when framed, ie they have "waves". I've used the 3M adhesive for dry mounting and the problem is still not completely solved. Admittedly I live in a fairly humid climate, but do you think the PR Baryta would be better in this respect?
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I do actually. The new paper behaves as a true paper base which is not what I will say for Harman.
It has no memory on the sheet paper. I haven't used the roll format yet so I cannot say for sure. I can say if you hold it between your fingers and the humidity makes a wave, the humidity will disappear and the wave along with it. So there seems to be no memory effect at all. The paper does not dent like Harman either which is a big plus for handling.

I am mounting (hinge) the sheets with paper tape and there have been no problems at all, the media stays flat as can be. Even when printing dark zones the paper showed no buckling which I've seen on other Hahenmuhle papers of matte surface types.
I hope to see what it does in roll format this month.
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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2008, 12:51:46 PM »
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I do actually. The new paper behaves as a true paper base which is not what I will say for Harman.
It has no memory on the sheet paper. I haven't used the roll format yet so I cannot say for sure. I can say if you hold it between your fingers and the humidity makes a wave, the humidity will disappear and the wave along with it. So there seems to be no memory effect at all. The paper does not dent like Harman either which is a big plus for handling.

I am mounting (hinge) the sheets with paper tape and there have been no problems at all, the media stays flat as can be. Even when printing dark zones the paper showed no buckling which I've seen on other Hahenmuhle papers of matte surface types.
I hope to see what it does in roll format this month.
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Thanks. Yes, I had the dent problem also so I have to take great care with a finished print. Looking forward to PR Baryta when it's available.
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« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2008, 01:44:26 PM »
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I hope to see what it does in roll format this month.
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Please post your impressions about rolls when you can. Thanks!

Jim
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« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2008, 04:11:22 PM »
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A question for Neil or any other user of the paper.  Would you recommend the Epson PK black or Matte black with this paper?

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« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2008, 12:36:31 AM »
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A question for Neil or any other user of the paper. Would you recommend the Epson PK black or Matte black with this paper?

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It is a PK only paper. I tried it with forced MK but it just doesn't work. It gives an interesting effect but it should only be used for scratch and win lottery tickets!

Oh yes I even tried double printing a technique that Stephen Johnson told me about with Iris. With PK and double printing , strangely enough the solvents in the inks dissolve the bond on the first print layer making the 2X PK a floating layer not bound as well.
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« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2008, 08:05:47 AM »
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Thanks Neil.

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« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2008, 10:29:27 PM »
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Neil,

I know its a bit OT, but do you have any references/links/etc. to the double printing technique. I've read articles referring to it, but never seen anything detailed about the process.

Thanks!

-Byron

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It is a PK only paper. I tried it with forced MK but it just doesn't work. It gives an interesting effect but it should only be used for scratch and win lottery tickets!

Oh yes I even tried double printing a technique that Stephen Johnson told me about with Iris. With PK and double printing , strangely enough the solvents in the inks dissolve the bond on the first print layer making the 2X PK a floating layer not bound as well.
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« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2008, 11:31:26 AM »
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Double printing is something that can be tried on any printer. Registration is going to be a challenge. some mark a precise place on the feeder and stop the page from being ejected on certain printers. I think the Iris worked this way. You left the page on the drum and simply ran a second black over the print.

Most of out inkjets though are hard to configure to reload the same job.
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« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2008, 07:26:16 AM »
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BTW I promised that after I had news and or tried the Baryta on a roll format printer I would report back:

There were zero problems for feed, tractor pizza wheel marks, roller marks on the back, compression in the way of pinch rollers, nothing at all.

The Z 3200 did have an issue with the GE on one pass. I don't know if that was the printer or the media.

There was a sort of raised area in the middle of one print looking like a water mark embedded or water that had swollen up about 5 cm wide by 2 cm wide, surface height difference maybe 0.5mm or less. I've not had any surface defects on sheet.

Handling of the roll paper is much easier than most FA photo type papers I've seen. It just doesn't kink and doesn't scratch much at all. As I said Hahenmuhle papers are best handled with gloves though as the unprinted areas are prone to picking up hand prints.
Since many other Baryta papers have some curled edges, this one is nice to see without problems  and is extremely flat. There is zero risk of head strikes in normal humidity.
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« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2008, 08:13:54 PM »
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Hi Gang

Just a real quick FYI.. I Got rolls and 20 sheet boxes in today of Photo rag Baryta today

All pre orders will ship out on monday so if you are on that list Thank You..

Please keep me posted on likes or no likes.. This is the only way I can really tell what to keep in stock .

Cheers gang

Jim Doyle
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« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2008, 07:36:02 AM »
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Has anyone tried the Hanemuhlle PhotoRag Baryta with the Cone K-7 black and white inksets?
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« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2008, 12:25:44 PM »
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I am confused about the surface textures of the new Hahnemuhle Baryta Papers.  Would somebody please check my assumptions...

Assumption #1: Fine Art Baryta has a mirror-finish, perfectly smooth gloss like old fashioned F photo paper that has been ferrotyped.

Assumption #2: Photo Rag Baryta has a slightly pebbly surface like old fashioned F photo paper that has NOT been ferrotyped, ie. like an Ansel Adams print.

PS...have there been any sightings of Photo Rag in the US?



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« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2008, 08:28:35 AM »
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I am confused about the surface textures of the new Hahnemuhle Baryta Papers.  Would somebody please check my assumptions...

Assumption #1: Fine Art Baryta has a mirror-finish, perfectly smooth gloss like old fashioned F photo paper that has been ferrotyped.

Assumption #2: Photo Rag Baryta has a slightly pebbly surface like old fashioned F photo paper that has NOT been ferrotyped, ie. like an Ansel Adams print.

I have prints made on Exhibition Fiber, Harman FB Al, FineArt Baryta and Photo Rag Baryta in front of me. Smoothest finish like old fashioned F photo paper that has been ferrotyped is Harman FB Al. Photo Rag Baryta and Exibition Fiber are next in line for texture and similar. Best way I can describe it is that Exhibition Fiber's texture is slightly larger than Photo Rag Baryta's but overall they look about equally "smooth". The Coarsest of the bunch is the FineArt Baryta. That's not to say it bad just that it has the most texture to my eye.
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