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« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2008, 08:39:02 AM »
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Yes Harman FA AL is very shiny, the closest to ferro-typed, but so much so that it is not ideal for inkjet printers. Harman has a lot , really a heavy hand of OBA as the paper backing is not that good of a base. Although I like Harman for it's look, the splendor wears off overtime and looks a bit too much, too shiny, too plastic like, and way too brightened.
I don't like the Hahnemuhle FA Baryta surface as it has too much eggshell dimples. PR Baryta though is the right combination of everything , shiny but not too much, cotton rag but very bright, no OBA, yet still white and neutral, lies flat but still has a paper feel, etc.
Epson Tradition is nice enough, I have yet to try the new HP Baryta, but for a premium non OEM paper that is or should be at the level of a ( European Epson certifiable print standard) media PR B is already one of the best in this league. Digigraphie
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« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2008, 10:05:02 AM »
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Assumption #1: Fine Art Baryta has a mirror-finish, perfectly smooth gloss like old fashioned F photo paper that has been ferrotyped.
Actually Fine Art Baryta has that pebbly, eggshell surface like some luster papers although not as pronounced.

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Assumption #2: Photo Rag Baryta has a slightly pebbly surface like old fashioned F photo paper that has NOT been ferrotyped, ie. like an Ansel Adams print.
Photo Rag Baryta looks very similar to regular Photo Rag as far as paper texture goes, and the surface is what I'd call medium gloss. Not as smooth or glossy as the Harman paper which from my experience is the smoothest/glossiest of the bunch.

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PS...have there been any sightings of Photo Rag in the US?
I got a 17" roll and a box of 8.5x11 from Shades of Paper a couple weeks ago, but I don't know if they still have stock now or have sold out.
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« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2008, 10:08:11 AM »
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can anyone point me to a downloadable good Photo Rag Baryta profile for an Epson 9800?

Hahnemuhle in their infinite wisdom seem not to have bothered to make one for the best selling wide format inkjet printer out there...
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« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2008, 10:53:47 AM »
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can anyone point me to a downloadable good Photo Rag Baryta profile for an Epson 9800?

Hahnemuhle in their infinite wisdom seem not to have bothered to make one for the best selling wide format inkjet printer out there...


I emailed Hahn about getting a Photo Rag Baryta profile for the 9800----apparently they are working on it.  Per email response to me, the 9800 they normally have access to---is unavailable.....

I'll probably have the ColorMunki in hand before they get something online to download....

 
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« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2008, 12:29:25 PM »
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I emailed Hahn about getting a Photo Rag Baryta profile for the 9800----apparently they are working on it.  Per email response to me, the 9800 they normally have access to---is unavailable.....

I'll probably have the ColorMunki in hand before they get something online to download....

 

The CM on this paper works just fine. I did use i1 PRo and PM for the profile in the review though.

IF there are profiles for FA Baryta on the 9800 they should be fine exception being the white point of media. The coating is quite similar so I don't expect any surprises there. That said the other day one of my students tried a Hahnemuhle paper and their profile and it was not goo at all , the soft proof showed the results beforehand but we couldn't believe the print would really be that bad.
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« Reply #45 on: November 03, 2008, 07:37:29 AM »
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I emailed Hahn about getting a Photo Rag Baryta profile for the 9800----apparently they are working on it.  Per email response to me, the 9800 they normally have access to---is unavailable.....

I'll probably have the ColorMunki in hand before they get something online to download....

 

well, they are shooting themselves in the foot on this one.
I'm certainly not ordering or trying any till I have a professional factory profile, and meanwhile their competitors get my (not insubstantial) business....
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« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2008, 05:32:32 PM »
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well, they are shooting themselves in the foot on this one.
Maybe it's just a little mom & pop outfit.  Check the headquarters at "37586 Dassel" on maps.google.com.
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« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2008, 07:53:02 AM »
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if anyone has a good profile for this on 9800, then please PM me, and I'd be very grateful.

silly company not putting that up for download, I agree.
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« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2008, 08:06:46 AM »
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I am surprised they don't have ANY profiles for the x800 series. You know they all use the same head well not the 3800. Are there  any for the 4800, or 7800?
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« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2008, 08:24:26 AM »
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I am surprised they don't have ANY profiles for the x800 series. You know they all use the same head well not the 3800. Are there  any for the 4800, or 7800?

They have the FineArt Baryta profiles for the 7800 but not the Photo Rag Baryta profiles. Photo Rag Baryta is there for the 4800 though.
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« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2008, 12:37:53 AM »
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They have the FineArt Baryta profiles for the 7800 but not the Photo Rag Baryta profiles. Photo Rag Baryta is there for the 4800 though.

In that case the 4800 profiles are the same as they should be for all the bigger K3 printers. I'm not sure if they calibrate the Epson printers with the Epson utility, but they should. If they do then all you'd need to do is calibrate to mainatain a close proximity to a standard linearization.
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« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2008, 02:30:20 PM »
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Dear all,

I am still looking for ways to purchase some rolls of this paper from a reputable online store willing to ship to Japan.

BH Photo and Fine Art Inkjet appear not to be selling this paper. Any ideas?

I have found one site that seem to be selling the paper (a French company called http://www.graphic-reseau.com/), but don't know how reputable they are.

Thank you in advance,

Regards,
Bernard
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« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2008, 02:36:34 PM »
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Dear all,

I am still looking for ways to purchase some rolls of this paper from a reputable online store willing to ship to Japan.

BH Photo and Fine Art Inkjet appear not to be selling this paper. Any ideas?

I have found one site that seem to be selling the paper (a French company called http://www.graphic-reseau.com/), but don't know how reputable they are.

Thank you in advance,

Regards,
Bernard


I have bought from GR many times. They are reliable, and have this paper in stock. A friend just bought 4 boxes of A2 from them and has been busy printing away. The only thing he saw was you cannot load more than one sheet at a time in a 3800.

The results are really really good.

Too bad the distribution wasn't better, as that would make all the difference for users.
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« Reply #53 on: November 15, 2008, 03:52:41 PM »
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For those printing B&W prints via the ABW driver mode on a 3800, I have recently built an ABW profile and posted it here:

http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/Ep...bwprofiles.html

(You can try it on other Epson printers whose drivers support ABW but I have no idea how it'll do.)

On a separate note, I like Photo Rag Baryta very much in all respects except two:

- Small prints on it are noticeably softer when compared side by side with prints on Harman Gloss FB Al and Epson Exhibition Fiber. This is fine for many images, less so for others. If you are following the multi-sharpening workflow, I suggest using a stronger output sharpening setting. (Neil did mention the softness in his review.)

- It tends to "curl upwards" at the top and bottom edges slightly during printing on the 3800, which can lead to head strikes (even at the Platen Gap setting of Wide).
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« Reply #54 on: November 17, 2008, 01:28:08 AM »
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I have bought from GR many times. They are reliable, and have this paper in stock. A friend just bought 4 boxes of A2 from them and has been busy printing away. The only thing he saw was you cannot load more than one sheet at a time in a 3800.

The results are really really good.

Too bad the distribution wasn't better, as that would make all the difference for users.

Thanks a lot for your kind answer Neil.

Cheers,
Bernard
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« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2008, 04:44:36 PM »
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I just tried some PR Baryta, and its a great feeling paper, but for me the surface has too much stipple/texture - such that it draws attention away from looking at the image, and intervenes in your appreciation of the photograph. not good.

that's a real shame as its  a lovely quality paper otherwise, and I would have used it. Will probably stick with the Innova FibaPrint US as my paper of choice.

ps - Hahn pack their paper a heck of a lot better than Innova do. much less damage, Innova should take note...
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