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« on: August 27, 2008, 06:10:01 PM »
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Looking to purchase a calibrator recommendations requested
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2008, 06:19:53 PM »
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If you do a search of the site and Forum you will find much discussion of this matter. I use ColorEyes Display (CED) with an Optix Xr (XRite DPT-94) colorimeter. Integrated-Color, the developers of CED package the hardware with the software. You should check their website to see whether your graphics card is compatible with this product. I'm very satisfied with both the results of the package and their customer support, which is first-class.
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2008, 08:50:05 PM »
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Get yourself an EyeOne Display-2 from X-Rite.

The OPTIX, a fine device is all but gone from the shelves (Chromix just sent out an email, they are all gone from stock).
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2008, 08:02:09 AM »
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EyeOne D2 - can't go wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2008, 08:15:44 AM »
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Get yourself an EyeOne Display-2 from X-Rite.

The OPTIX, a fine device is all but gone from the shelves (Chromix just sent out an email, they are all gone from stock).
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Andrew this is true and your recommendation is of course a good one, however my understanding is that the DPT-94 is still being provided on an OEM basis - at least to Integrated Color - maybe others too, I don't know; there aren't many software providers in this field. If it were being truly discontinued then my suggestion to buy one at this time makes less sense.
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2008, 08:24:07 AM »
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Andrew this is true and your recommendation is of course a good one, however my understanding is that the DPT-94 is still being provided on an OEM basis - at least to Integrated Color - maybe others too, I don't know; there aren't many software providers in this field. If it were being truly discontinued then my suggestion to buy one at this time makes less sense.
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They may have stock but I'm pretty darn certain X-Rite stopped manufacturer some time ago. Once the supplies are gone, that's it. On the other hand, the EyeOne Display is being manufactured and in fact has undergone revisions along the way.
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2008, 08:50:42 AM »
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Thanks Andrew, good to know.
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2008, 08:55:04 AM »
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They may have stock but I'm pretty darn certain X-Rite stopped manufacturer some time ago. Once the supplies are gone, that's it. On the other hand, the EyeOne Display is being manufactured and in fact has undergone revisions along the way.
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That's interesting - in Europe it's still available as quato silver haze colorimeter, and in fact it's the only type of colorimeter that's bundled with high-end, quato intelli proof panels. Maybe they buried some bigger amount of these in their garden...
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2008, 09:14:37 AM »
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That's interesting - in Europe it's still available as quato silver haze colorimeter, and in fact it's the only type of colorimeter that's bundled with high-end, quato intelli proof panels. Maybe they buried some bigger amount of these in their garden...
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I'll check with X-Rite. I guess its possible they are OEM'ing them at a pretty high cost to all parties OR just moving out the rest of the units. It was very expensive to manufacturer thus one of the reasons it was discontinued. There's also an interesting post from last year by Tom Lianza of X-Rite who's the big cheese there in terms of display technology (originally from Sequel Technologies):

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So, are you saying that, all things considered, and in your judgment, the
EyeOne Display 2 is actually a finer instrument than the DTP94/Optix XR?

Absolutely not, both products have their pros and cons.  I have always been a technical "fan" of the DTP94 and the guys that designed it.  Now we're on the same team and that is a very good thing.  I can't talk about future products, but one should assume that we are looking at what customers want, improvement in measurement accuracy, speed and precision. My problem with the 94 was the quatization errors and time of measurement.  It would need some tweaks to work with a DDC controlled-wide gamut display. It was also very expensive to make.  Remember that the product was designed after Sequel got purchased by Gretag and Monoco was purchased by X-rite. The DTP 94 also had a slightly wider field of view which gave it better mount dismount repeatiblity, at the sake of usage on lower end displays. The major problem with the device is that could not come down in price in a cost competitive market place and the volumes did not indicate that there would be any major improvements due to scale in market size.    

There's also this from X-Rite:

[a href=\"http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?ID=730]http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?ID=730[/url]
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2008, 11:02:29 AM »
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Andrew,

Actually, I dropped my Optix XR on the floor some time ago - fortunately carpeted - so I don't think I messed it up, but with the lingering thought in the back of my mind that I may need to replace it, spurred by this thread, I checked with Integrated Color this morning and they tell me that X-Rite is continuing to manufacture the unit as an OEM supply product and Integrated Color sells it either with or without CED software. But then again, with XRite itself saying on their website that they recommend substituting it with an iI Display 2, that simply re-opens the question about which is technically preferable. Have you had a chance to compare their relative performance? It's always possible that they've found a cheaper way to manufacture another unit that also happens to be better in certain conditions, but one wonders....

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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2008, 12:03:20 PM »
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According to an email I just got, X-Rite is no longer manufacturing it, despite what at least one web site that sells it says.
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2008, 12:18:42 PM »
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OK - coming "straight from the horse"s mouth" that settles that question.
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2008, 01:06:49 PM »
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I bought a Pantone Huey, it made my screens pink. Apparently some of them have this issue so they're sending me a new one (i'm still waiting 2 months later).
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2008, 06:25:09 AM »
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I'll check with X-Rite. I guess its possible they are OEM'ing them at a pretty high cost to all parties OR just moving out the rest of the units. It was very expensive to manufacturer thus one of the reasons it was discontinued. There's also an interesting post from last year by Tom Lianza of X-Rite who's the big cheese there in terms of display technology (originally from Sequel Technologies):
There's also this from X-Rite:

http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?ID=730
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Thanks a lot, that's very interesting, indeed! I wonder if quato had tuned their version of dtp94, as they are selling them with wide gamut displays (like intelli proof 260 excellence, dedicated for work in ECI RGB)
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2008, 08:11:07 AM »
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Thanks a lot, that's very interesting, indeed! I wonder if quato had tuned their version of dtp94, as they are selling them with wide gamut displays (like intelli proof 260 excellence, dedicated for work in ECI RGB)
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Once I'd have to check with X-rite and its probably a moot point but I seriously doubt anyone besides X-Rite is mucking around on the insides of such a device. It was expensive enough before that, the reason it died. Even if we could assume some OEM could open and alter the insides easily, its even more cost loss in the proposition. Time to move on, Optix RIP (Rest In Peace).
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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2008, 11:16:20 PM »
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Once I'd have to check with X-rite and its probably a moot point but I seriously doubt anyone besides X-Rite is mucking around on the insides of such a device. It was expensive enough before that, the reason it died. Even if we could assume some OEM could open and alter the insides easily, its even more cost loss in the proposition. Time to move on, Optix RIP (Rest In Peace).
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To make all of you happy, I'd recommend getting a ColorMunki, it's future-proof with respect to wide-gamut displays which are just round the corner (I just ordered a Dreamcolor display).

Spectros probably have more noise than colorimeters, and cost more, but the i1 series can also profile printers and beamers and measure ambient light - did I hear you say bargain ?


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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2008, 07:18:11 AM »
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To make all of you happy, I'd recommend getting a ColorMunki, ................

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Edmund - have you tried the product and compared the results with say "closest neighbour"  instruments which read many more patches? I'm looking for several "lessons of experience" on this. I would have gladly bought one and tested it, but there is no trial period because of the software, so I'm depending on the advice of others who have done some careful, results-based comparison. I know and respect Andrew's view of this, however additional experience reports from a couple of other equally qualified observers would complete the picture.
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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2008, 08:44:51 AM »
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To make all of you happy, I'd recommend getting a ColorMunki, it's future-proof with respect to wide-gamut displays which are just round the corner (I just ordered a Dreamcolor display).

Spectros probably have more noise than colorimeters, and cost more, but the i1 series can also profile printers and beamers and measure ambient light - did I hear you say bargain ?
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The ColorMunki is not a colorimeter and has received some bad press for it's buggy software.

I use the DataColor Spyder3 Elite calibrator (colorimeter) that is also optimized for wide gamut and LED displays. It has a seven color filter system and larger sensor. The software package is developed for the professional market allowing for manual adjustments of B/W luminance and white point. It also has an ambient light sensor.
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