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« on: August 29, 2008, 03:58:02 AM »
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For your information:

Sinar has announced today a new integrated MF digital camera system, the Sinar Hy6-65 (31 MPx) and a new camera + digital back, the Sinar Hy6 - s65r, respectively the Sinarback eSprit 65.

----> http://www.sinarcameras.com/site/index__0-...29-50-2168.html

The main characteristics:

1. Sinar Hy6-65

- Fully Integrated MF camera system: with optimized communication between lens, camera body, digital engine, and software.

- On-Board image processing with internal "QuadCore Image Processing" (QCIP technology): First digital medium format cameras with completely integrated digital image processing on board.

- Future-oriented data storage: The high-speed data transfer of the Sinar Hy6 65 and Sinar Hy6-s65r allows for capturing images at fast capturing rates and storing them to CF card in DNG and JPEG formats or a combination of them .

JPEG images can be stored in 4 different file sizes and two compression rates. Thus, one is able to send low-resolution JPEGs to the art director or agency immediately after the shooting and process the selected high-resolution images later on.

- 3" bright display with 640 x 480 pixels (280 ppi), with automatic menu orientation, Images, histogram, sensitivity, on-board exposure warning, memory status, white balance.

- File size: 60 MB (DNG and Sinar RAW 16 bit), 181/90 MB (TIFF 48/24 bit)

- Capture rate: 1 image / sec.

- White Balance: Automatic, presets, manual.

- Data storage: High-Speed CF Card (4 GB UDMA CF card included),
alternatively also directly on hard disk via Firewire.

- Active cooling: ventilator.

- Power supply: one (two also possible) rechargeable lithium-ion battery 7.2 V, 2200 mAh.

- Operating time with battery: up to approx. 2000 exposures.

- Firewire interface: IEEE 1394b (800 Mbps, compatible with IEEE 1394a 400 Mbps).

- Capturing software: Sinar eXposure™ 6.1 or later.

- Operating systems: Mac OS X as of 10.4.11, Windows XP as of Service Pack 2, Windows Vista as of Service Pack 1.

- Availability/Delivery: as per September 23rd 2008

2. Sinar Hy6-s65r

- Same as above, but the camera digital back can be used on any other current MF camera with the corresponding adapter interface (Sinar m, Hasselblad V 500 series, Hasselblad H1/H2, Mamiya 645 AFD/AFD II).

- Data storage: The high-speed data transfer of the Sinar Hy6-s65r allows for capturing images at fast capturing rates and storing them to CF card in RAW, DNG, and JPEG format or a combination of them (DNG + JPG or Sinar RAW + JPG).

JPEG images can be stored in 4 different file sizes and two compression rates. Thus, one is able to send low-resolution JPEGs to the art director or agency immediately after the shooting and process the selected high-resolution images later on.

- Revolving Digital Back on the Sinar Hy6.

- Power supply: Two rechargeable lithium-ion batteries 7.2 V, 2200 mAh, for long-lasting operation.

- Live Video

- - Availability/Delivery: as per September 23rd 2008

3. Sinarback eSprit 65

- Single MF digital back, 31 MPx.

- Technical features: same as described above.

- Availability/Delivery: as per September 23rd 2008

Remarks:

- I have purposely not mentioned the ISO range of the above mentioned digital camera system and digital back, since I have no definitive information about it yet. I shall inform as soon I have it.

- Prices available at Photokina.

Here however some first images of these new products:
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2008, 04:09:37 AM »
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Dear Thierry,
Thank you for your information!
It looks like a system a lot of us were hoping to get!
I am impressed with the onboard processing idea.
And the back looks right at last  
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2008, 04:19:07 AM »
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Thanks Thierry,

Is it a KODAK 31mp (P30+/H3DII31)... or a new DALSA chip ?
Great characteristics... and a new nice 3" (rotaring) screen ;
We should (hope) see the same with the "old & beautifull rendering" 22mp Dalsa Chip ?

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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2008, 04:36:06 AM »
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Is it a KODAK 31mp (P30+/H3DII31)... or a new DALSA chip ?
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=218035\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Kodak KAF31600CE CCD with full-frame technology and microlenses

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Great characteristics... and a new nice 3" (rotaring) screen
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=218035\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
It is not the display which is rotating, BUT the menu/screen images (orientation sensor)

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We should (hope) see the same with the "old & beautifull rendering" 22mp Dalsa Chip ?
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=218035\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Quality is always our first concern, and mainly a software issue: I'm pretty much convinced that it will hold up with a 22 MPx Dalsa.

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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2008, 04:40:22 AM »
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1. Sinar Hy6-65

- Fully Integrated MF camera system: with optimized communication between lens, camera body, digital engine, and software.
Dear Thierry,

Something is not very clear from the announcement:

Does is mean that Hy6-65 (without r) will not allow us to rotate the back? Is it a take off and  reattach adapter,  similar to my Sinar unrevolving adapter on the Rollei version of the Hy6?

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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2008, 04:55:28 AM »
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Dear Thierry,

Something is not very clear from the announcement:

Does is mean that Hy6-65 (without r) will not allow us to rotate the back? Is it a take off and  reattach adapter,  similar to my Sinar unrevolving adapter on the Rollei version of the Hy6?

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Dear Yevgeny,

No, this is not correct:

- the Sinar Hy6 - 65 is a fully integrated camera/back system: the back can however be rotated, by taking it away. The back, however, cannot be used on any other camera platform.

- the Sinar Hy6 - s65r: this camera system uses the Sinarback eSprit 65, with adapter plates. The "r" in the name means that it includes the Sinar revolving adapter. This eSprit back can be used on other MF camera platforms, with the corresponding adapter.

I hope this clarifies.

Best regards,
Thierry
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2008, 05:03:44 AM »
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Sinar has announced today a new integrated MF digital camera system, the Sinar Hy6-65 (31 MPx) and a new camera + digital back, the Sinar Hy6 - s65r.[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=218031\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
WOW - sounds impressive!
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2. Sinar Hy6-s65r
the camera digital back can be used on any other common MF camera with the corresponding adapter interface (Sinar m, Hasselblad V 500 series, Hasselblad H1/H2, Mamiya 645 AFD/AFD II).[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=218031\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Contax?

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Kodak KAF31600CE CCD with full-frame technology[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=218037\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
What does that mean: "full-frame technology"? The Kodak KAF31600CE is not 645 full frame...
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What does that mean: "full-frame technology"? The Kodak KAF31600CE is not 645 full frame...
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That is a type of CCD sensor, as opposed to interline or linear CCD.

See [a href=\"http://www.kodak.com/global/en/business/ISS/Products/Fullframe/index.jhtml?pq-path=12138]http://www.kodak.com/global/en/business/IS...l?pq-path=12138[/url]
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See http://www.kodak.com/global/en/business/IS...l?pq-path=12138[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=218044\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Total chip size is 46.05mm x 35.0mm ...
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2008, 05:17:44 AM »
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Exactly, thanks Graham!

I hope not having started again a heated debate about "sensor size" and with those relating it to the size of the sensor.

We are speaking here about the sensor technology used, as named by Kodak.

To make it clear, this sensor has the same size as any other 31,6 MPx sensor used in digital backs: 44x33 mm.

Best regards,
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That is a type of CCD sensor, as opposed to interline or linear CCD.

See http://www.kodak.com/global/en/business/IS...l?pq-path=12138
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We are speaking here about the sensor technology used, as named by Kodak.To make it clear, this sensor has the same size as any other 31,6 MPx sensor used in digital backs: 44x33 mm[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=218047\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Thanks. Didn't want to start a "heated debate"... sorry! :-)
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2008, 05:30:51 AM »
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No harm (yet):

 

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Thierry


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Thanks. Didn't want to start a "heated debate"... sorry! :-)
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2008, 05:36:09 AM »
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Thierry,

could you please adress my question above regarding Contax interface...
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2. Sinar Hy6-s65r
the camera digital back can be used on any other common MF camera with the corresponding adapter interface (Sinar m, Hasselblad V 500 series, Hasselblad H1/H2, Mamiya 645 AFD/AFD II).
Didi you mean "common" or "current"?
Thanks!
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2008, 05:41:24 AM »
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Dear Thomas,

Yes, I can answer your question:  

- no, there is no adapter plate planed for the Contax 645 camera. One should therefore rather read "current": my apologies for my bad wording, I shall correct.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Thierry,

could you please adress my question above regarding Contax interface...
 Didi you mean "common" or "current"?
Thanks!
Thomas
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_ no, there is no adapter plate planed for the Contax 645 camera. One should therefore rather read "current": my apologies for my bad wording, I shall correct.[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=218052\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Discrimination!!!  
Thanks again!
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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2008, 05:58:08 AM »
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Dear Yevgeny,

No, this is not correct:

- the Sinar Hy6 - 65 is a fully integrated camera/back system: the back can however be rotated, by taking it away. The back, however, cannot be used on any other camera platform.

Best regards,
Thierry
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Dear Thierry,
Thank you very much, I got it now.
And even more reasons to visit Photokina this year...

Kind regards,
Yevgeny
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2008, 06:56:08 AM »
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Some questions, Thierry:

It looks as though the camera body is a blacker color scheme?
Did our wailing finally get heard?  

Is the lithium-ion 7.2 V, 2200 mAh the same type fitting in the Hy6 handle/grip?

Are the adapter interface plates for the eSprit different from the current eMotion-type and eVolution-type?

Thank you,
Billy
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2008, 07:10:12 AM »
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I don't see any menu navigation controls
so is it a touchscreen?  
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2008, 07:23:38 AM »
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Hi Billy,

- yes, it seems that the colours are matching, this time: I promise you that I have insisted.

- It is the same battery as the one for the Hy6.

- The adapters are the same as the ones used for the eMotion backs (eMotion 22, eMotion 54 LV and eMotion 75 / 75 LV).

Best regards,
Thierry

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Some questions, Thierry:

It looks as though the camera body is a blacker color scheme?
Did our wailing finally get heard?   

Is the lithium-ion 7.2 V, 2200 mAh the same type fitting in the Hy6 handle/grip?

Are the adapter interface plates for the eSprit different from the current eMotion-type and eVolution-type?

Thank you,
Billy
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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2008, 07:31:39 AM »
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Thierry,
great news indeed.

I hope for 1600 "usable-no-noise" ISO
and adapterplates for my V system and Mamiya RZ pro II

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