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« on: September 25, 2008, 12:12:38 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2008, 12:24:52 PM »
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Köln, Germany, 25 September, 2008 – Leaf, developer of advanced medium format digital camera systems, and Sinar AG, longtime provider of digital high-end camera solutions, today announced their intention to expand their strategic alliance to include bilateral sharing of digital imaging technology.

 How soon before we see a manifestation of this merger? I'm interested in the s65r but I don't want buy into the system if there is going to be a new product reflecting this ideal, in which case I might hold off a little while longer to see what occurs in the next few months.
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2008, 12:47:27 PM »
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"the new Leaf AFi-II imaging module "

Could you explain what this means exactly? Is Sinar using the wide sensor or is there more to it?
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2008, 12:59:17 PM »
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AFiII on Sinar/Rollei  camera would be a dream come through for me. Can not wait to hear more.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2008, 01:01:04 PM »
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Could you explain what this means exactly? Is Sinar using the wide sensor or is there more to it?
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Here's the press release:
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It sounds a bit desperate to me. They don't even say what they are going to do together...
The thing is, they have to lower their prices even more. Specially Leaf (of course Phase One too).

We heve seen a very agressive Hasselblad last year and yesterday's announcement is more of the same. I think they are leading the fight now and even if I think all this is the result of their own closed system they know very well how to put things clear on the table.

Very interesting days...
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2008, 01:18:56 PM »
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AFiII on Sinar/Rollei  camera would be a dream come through for me. Can not wait to hear more.
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Huh?

I don't get it.  Didn't Leaf already have the Hy6, AFI, Rollei (whew) camera?

What's changed other than sharing costs.

And how does this effect MAC.  Does Leaf O' Merica now handle Sinar?

Is there still Sinar, or Leaf or both or one or a new name.

I vote for Leanar, which works a lot better than Sleaf.

Just be sure to call the new software INPHOCUS. That's flip hasselblad out.

All kidding aside, Hasselblad does seem agressive and going after the Canon business model of buy it, use it, sell it.  I guess they are in a good position since they also sell lenses so there is profit to be made if they can sell people into thier system.

Hassellblad really, really, really, needs to get an open source format that doesnt' require conversion to work in 3rd party programs.

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2008, 01:31:08 PM »
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"I vote for Leanar, which works a lot better than Sleaf."  
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2008, 01:37:41 PM »
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Partnership with LEAF is great move for both SINAR and LEAF.

However, if I was to buy Camera Hy6 today... what would be my best choice Rollei? Leaf? Sinar?

Sinar comes with probably all or most accessories that you'll/I'll ever need to buy!

They all come with a label "NONE OF THESE CAMERAS AND ACCESSORIES ARE AVAILABLE FOR RENT THOUGH!!!

Some Digital Backs come with the same label too...

So what do we/I do? What's the common sense here...
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They all come with a label "NONE OF THESE CAMERAS AND ACCESSORIES ARE AVAILABLE FOR RENT THOUGH!!!
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...maybe in your part of the world. Even I have a Hy6 rental outlet 2 hours away
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...maybe in your part of the world. Even I have a Hy6 rental outlet 2 hours away
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I'll remember that, who is your rental company?
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2008, 02:02:14 PM »
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I'll remember that, who is your rental company?
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I've been there a few times but haven't rented from them yet.
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I just ran into a gentleman called Yair Shahar. He was so nice that I doubted he could be working for Leaf, he gave me a coke although he knew I had a Phase. And then this benevolent gentleman told me "have you seen the news ?" So I said umm - actually I had seen the stragtegic etc and wondered what it meant. So Yair explained that Sinar will now be selling Sinar backs as their high end products. I hope I haven't go it wrong, after all he did give me a free coke

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Thank you Graham!

I'm not selling RZ67 for sure, I'll even try to keep the H2 gear because it already paid it self number of times.... My option was to stay with Hasselblad and basically upgrade only lenses!

The way Hasselblad attacks the market I wouldn't be surprised to see totally new Camera next year with 100MP and set of new lenses.... they may even start selling 35mm cameras, I heard some rumors not worth bring in up, but nothing that they'll do will surprise me anymore!

Leica is really up to no good as far as I am concerned with or without the Phase partnership. I would love to see them succeed though... but how, based on what grounds and if... when?

I think for me... Hy6 could be in a way future RZ67 in a new package.... basically you can mix and match old/new lenses and have other interesting options/etc.

I'm not talking about the Digital Backs, because what ever I say today may be half price or less tomorrow...

!!!BE AWARE!!!
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2008, 02:39:53 PM »
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this doesn't surprise me a bit. i mentioned this on te leica s2 thread; sinar, leaf and phase are screwing themselves by putting too much into bigger better and more expensive. leica will surely do the same with the s2 (smaller, better, even more expensive), and have no chance of survival.

hasselblad is the only mfdb company that realizes that an aggresive price point is the key.

it makes no difference if you have a 100mp swiveling 4x5 inch sensor. you have to compete with the 1ds mk III if you want a share of the market - and that is what hasselblad are doing, the top end is marketing fluff, the bottom end aggresive competition aimed at high end dslr photographers wanting a little more.
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2008, 03:59:40 PM »
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There is certainly "a bit more" to that explanation, but yes, Yair is a nice guy: he offered Sushi to Rainer and me!

 

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There is certainly "a bit more" to that explanation, but yes, Yair is a nice guy: he offered Sushi to Rainer and me!

 

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Sorry, I need to correct my previous statement. No, I don't mean to retract my statement that Yair is a nice guy, I just want to explain that if I understand rightly Sinar is somehow shoehorning the top-end Leaf backs into the Sinar product line. Complete with rotating sensor and  fold-out screen.


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Among others, Edmund. Here what the press release says:

"... Leaf, developer of advanced medium format digital camera systems, and Sinar AG, longtime provider of digital high-end camera solutions, today announced their intention to expand their strategic alliance to include bilateral sharing of digital imaging technology ..."

Extract from press release dated today Thursday, September 25th:

http://www.sinarcameras.com/site/index__ga...s-rand-534.html

I guess more will be announced within the next days or weeks.

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Sorry, I need to correct my previous statement. No, I don't mean to retract my statement that Yair is a nice guy, I just want to explain that if I understand rightly Sinar is somehow shoehorning the top-end Leaf backs into the Sinar product line. Complete with rotating sensor and  fold-out screen.
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Among others, Edmund. Here what the press release says:

"...today announced their intention to expand their strategic alliance to include bilateral sharing of digital imaging technology ..."
I'm assuming Sinar will share SW code rights to LC11?

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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2008, 07:12:54 PM »
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As Thierry already commented, more information and details will be available soon and we believe that both companies as well as the photographers will benefit from this agreement.

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As Thierry already commented, more information and details will be available soon and we believe that both companies as well as the photographers will benefit from this agreement.

I don't dispute that at all. My only problem is I have a bank draft to my dealer for $31,000US (and change) to purchase a AFi II 7 this weekend. Should I wait for Sinar to cut a better deal? Maybe include the 80mm glass, 3-year warranty, and 45 degree finder?

David
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