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« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2008, 04:26:08 AM »
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I'd like to get a 3800, but I too hate buying just before a major upgrade is released. I managed to buy a 4000 about 1 month before the announcement of the 4800 and I was well unhappy.

The current deals on the 3800 make me suspicious that the product is being cycled... but there are no rumours that are solid.

1169 RRP being sold for 700. Hard to resist at this price.

http://www.icg-online.co.uk/epson-stylus-p...rinter-i12.html

I really don't mind if Epson release a minor upgrade if I am happy with what I'm buying, but the 4000 to 4800 was a big jump in quality and I'd hate it if the 3800 got upcycled to a 3900 within weeks of a purchase.

OTOH,  700 is almost 'consumable' prices.
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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2008, 07:27:02 PM »
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I read through the web site for the new events at www.epsonprintacademy.com and found that under the "Giveaways" page the Epson 7900 that some lucky winner will receive is valued at $3995 US. I don't know if this is "new news" but this is the first I've personally seen a price for this.
I've been to every Epson Print Academy since the first one, by the way, and think it's money well spent - I believe everyone who posts here would want to opt for the "Track Two" program if interested.
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« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2008, 05:13:54 AM »
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I currently print to an Epson R2400.  With my new Canon 1Ds MkIII, I'm anxious to try printing to sizes larger than 11x14, the largest standard size that the R2400 can handle.

I was hoping for a replacement for the Epson 3800 since every other pro model has been replaced with the new K3 w/vivid magenta ink set. I would buy the 3880 (or whatever it will be named) if the matte and photo black ink switching on the fly would work well to reduce wasted ink. Switching cartridges on my R2400 is a bit of a pain and wasteful too.

I'm a photo hobbyist. As a result, I only make a dozen or so large prints per month. Would that low of a volume create problems for a 3800 size printer? Any experiences out there worth sharing?

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« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2008, 05:31:54 AM »
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I read through the web site for the new events at www.epsonprintacademy.com and found that under the "Giveaways" page the Epson 7900 that some lucky winner will receive is valued at $3995 US. I don't know if this is "new news" but this is the first I've personally seen a price for this.
I've been to every Epson Print Academy since the first one, by the way, and think it's money well spent - I believe everyone who posts here would want to opt for the "Track Two" program if interested.
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Seems low to me. We got a quote of 6900 Euro without VAT for a 9900 without spectro unit. I'm sure Epson will anticipate on the US economy forecast for the next years but not to that degree, the 7880 remains in the catalog and should be the cheaper 24".


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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2008, 06:54:20 PM »
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For 9900-without spectro. -price being quoted now in Australia, list at $11,990 AUD ie around 14,000 USD, plus our local GST of 10%. Available (hopefully) November
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« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2008, 08:56:21 PM »
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For 9900-without spectro. -price being quoted now in Australia, list at $11,990 AUD ie around 14,000 USD, plus our local GST of 10%. Available (hopefully) November
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First off, you've converted the currency in the wrong direction.  $11,990 US would convert to over $14,000 Australian.  $11,990 Australian converts to just under $9,700 US.  Secondly, MSRPs aren't usually based on straight currency conversions.  For example, the price of the 9880, when converted from AUD to USD, comes out to about $6,500 USD, and the 9880 sells for a MSRP of $5000 in the US.  If the price of the 9900 is indeed $11,900 AUS, then, if based on the formula suggested by the price of the 9880 in both countries, a $7,500 USD price tag could be inferred.  Of course, this is total speculation, but, if the MSRP of the 7900 is going to be $3995 without spectro, then I could see the 9900 being $6995 or $7995.  Not that I feel that this will be a competitive price, with the 44" 12-ink iPF8100 selling for not much more than $3000, but that remains to be seen.  I'm not sure how Epson will justify the price, given that 12-inks have become the standard and they are merely catching up rather than establishing a new standard.  Still, if they've licked the clogging problems and exceeded Canon and HP in gamut, the x900 printers may well be the new benchmark.  How many would opt to pay $2000 or $3000 more than for a 9880, I'm not sure.  Though I must admit that I may be one that will.  Of course, I'd rather the x900 series replace the x880 series and the new  technology be introduced at the $5000 price point, but I sure it all depends on what Epson feels they can get away with.

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« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2008, 12:47:29 AM »
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List price in Australia - without Spectro - $11,995 AUD plus GST which is 10%;  and with Spectro $13,495 AUD plus 10% GST. Brian was correct with the AUD , Australian price, but did the conversion backwards to US.

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« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2008, 10:52:15 PM »
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Thanks Mike and Julie for the correction. As I said to a few people yesterday, it was one of those days..
Mike's analysis seem pretty spot on. I was not going to guess the US price , just trying (erroneously) to put the Au price in a more widely known currency. What happens with currencies in the next few months is anyone's guess.
I think Epson will sell the 900 series unless it can be shown thermal heads can now equal the quality and stability of piezo heads.
12 colour inksets have been out for years on Colorspan , Roland etc, but Epson has been pretty good on gamut and DMax, if not fantastic. The linearity of 800+ inksets has been particularly impressive and as I understand it superior to Canon. The vacuum system on Epsons is particularly useful for some stocks  and HP has had problems with marks on gloss. Perhaps the new number will sort it out but maybe not..HP inks last well and their blacks are good.
Epson certainly deserved a stir on clogging, ink changing and residual ink. It remains to be seen if they have gone far enough.
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« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2008, 01:24:48 AM »
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Oh, they've gone pretty darn far...

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« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2008, 09:00:25 PM »
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any comments on the x900 gamut compared to an x880, Jeff?
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« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2008, 10:30:51 PM »
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Oh, they've gone pretty darn far...

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Care to elaborate, Jeff?  I am very interested in this topic, as I am sure that others are too.

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« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2008, 08:18:32 PM »
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Jeff maybe under NDA, but I'd  expect the gamut, DMax, linearity and other info (eg ink left in carts, highlight smoothness, dot pattern etc) to be coming pretty soon. The 900s are due for sale here in Oz in November. Knowing Epson it could be one unit/dealer but we'll see.
On the tech details I'd expect something to be brewing with Joe Holmes.
Just guessing I'd say the spectral characteristics will be similar to the Roland D'Vinci.
- and that's pretty good..
The pennies are going into a tin
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« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2008, 11:16:01 PM »
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Jeff maybe under NDA, but I'd  expect the gamut, DMax, linearity and other info (eg ink left in carts, highlight smoothness, dot pattern etc) to be coming pretty soon. The 900s are due for sale here in Oz in November. Knowing Epson it could be one unit/dealer but we'll see.
On the tech details I'd expect something to be brewing with Joe Holmes.
Just guessing I'd say the spectral characteristics will be similar to the Roland D'Vinci.
- and that's pretty good..
Yeaasss...  I think Epson are in a bind here:
their top of the range machine - the 11880 - has the 'old' inkset of 8 colors, but the new (cheaper) 9900's have the new 10 color inkset.
so...  if they trumpet too loudly the new inks and their expanded gamut, then nobody in their right mind will spend substantially more $ on the 11880 when they can get better images on cheaper x900 machines.

Unless you got to have 64" width, it's going to be a tough sell on the 11880 from here-on out.
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« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2008, 05:12:38 AM »
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The 11880 is a very good machine. It is also 60" c.f. the biggest 900 at 44".
I was within a few minutes of buying a 11880 when I heard about the 900 printers, and pulled the plug.
There is no word of a 11900, and may not be for some time as the 900s have their main market in proofing; 60" is too big for most proofing requirements.
Epson is saying they will continue with the 7880 and 9800 when the 900s are out but I don't think that will be for long.
Just the ink saving on the matte>photo> matte change will be enough to  move people to the 900s. As for 60" printers I reckon most people will wait if they can.

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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2008, 07:00:04 AM »
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Yes I too am enjoying the 3800 as a first movement into larger format and enjoying the minimal clogs compared to the 1290 i've had for years.

But it is very, very annoying that if you do not carefully check which paper you were using last (e.g. matte paper) and you happen to choose a glossy one for a quick photo, the machine immediately goes into "changing ink cartridges" and you cannot stop it!

Epson surely should have given a warning that you are about to waste ink and time if you choose this option and should let you choose no at this point.

Boy do those black  ink cartridges go down quickly when you keep forgetting to do a simple check. This is a result of having to get use to a printer with cartridge changes needed compared to others. This is less  a problem using the manual cartridge changing on the 4000-9000 series at least I presume.

Epson is not giving up it's massive customer waste ink consumption bonus that quickly!
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