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« Reply #3700 on: August 18, 2012, 04:46:00 PM »
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I'm thinking of an example: when I was student in Paris, I found a job in a company call Sanofy (you've heard about LOreal). Well they had the building in the Champs …lysťes, 15 minutes  walk from home. Lots of chic ladies, I had my morning coffees at the Fouquets, the building smelled old wood, fashion, elegance etc...

Hi Fred,

every time you mention that you studied art in Paris I get an jalousie attack. I want to cry if I hear about the job you had as a student. The only thing that comforts me is that after all that live only can become worse.

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« Reply #3701 on: August 18, 2012, 05:13:54 PM »
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Hi Fred,

every time you mention that you studied art in Paris I get an jalousie attack. I want to cry if I hear about the job you had as a student. The only thing that comforts me is that after all that live only can become worse.

Best,
Johannes

Hi Johannes.

Well, when I was in Paris I wanted to be in New-York,  when I was in England I wanted to be in Spain, and when I was in Madrid I wanted to be in Japan...
It took me many many many years, tons of break-up with my girlfriends, suffering of all kinds, years of yoga and meditation to understand that the very best place to be is the one you are at the moment
and the very best person to be with is your self.


As for the student job, it was really a student job, no glamour. I was sorting the internal letters for displaying in the offices...
And don't think that being a student in fine arts was always a fun experience...you should see that, a bunch of problematic existentialists childrens with no humour and intelectual posers.
it was very far from sex drugs and RnR. (maybe Alain Briot that also was in the Paris fine arts a generation before mine had more fun)
At that time I was involved in fashion, couture, in part because a woman I was going out with was working in a high fashion brand as a seamstress, and
I learned a lot from her. I wanted to be a fashion photographer and ended painting with very little success. As for everything  in life, there was lights and shades, things that were working well, others that didn't at all etc...

The first movie I was involved in at that time ended in a complete disaster. It was a 16mm b&w filmed with an Arri in a little studio rive gauche. I couldn't stand the 2 actors and I had to live.
I was so shy and unconfident that I ended periodically destroying my productions to make sure nobody see them. In Paris I met people like Lagarfeld, talking about unsignificant topics but I wasn't able to use those contacts for my own purpose. So you know a little more about the real story.


In fact, I'm  older and much happier now, maybe because I know a little bit more about this journey call life. I'm just starting to enjoy it fully and it gives me great satisfaction.

So you see Johannes how the mind works and invents its own scenario that has very little to do with the reality lived by each individual.
Not a long time ago I was invited to a shooting party at the house of a big photographer. But then, the models that were supposed to come canceled and we ended alone watching the formula one gran prix while eating crabs.
Then we went to swim in the house's pool and in this relax atmosphere I took the oportunity to ask him about how he started etc...how does one reach to work with the best models in the world etc...
I was expecting the big story, the Hollywood's version. The guy started to talk about his life, the real one, not the one I had constructed in my mind...and all the glamourous ideas I had vanished. He went through a lot of harsh things, included death of a son, sordid assignements at the beginning, humiliations etc...then also good time.
This afternoon I learned a lot more about the aparences and the surface. Our minds fool us, reality is never that good nor that bad.

Watch the movie Lawrence of arabia, then read the Book of Lawrence, the 7th pilars of wisdom (the truth story). Big difference!

Cheers.

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« Reply #3702 on: August 19, 2012, 03:14:18 AM »
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Ah Fred, the LuLa philosopher.

Of course, you are a mirror to the rest of us. I'd be very surprised if anyone has started off with a mental target and achieved exactly the shot in life that he intended. Half of the problem is other people: their plans get in the way of yours; they often want the same things as you do! Damned inconvenient.

"and the very best person to be with is your self."

That's the one failure (to my mind) that I find in your life-view: I would give, do anything to be back with my wife. She made my life simply by being there. Because of her support, help and patience and absolute lack of complaints at the ups and downs of being a snapper's wife I was able to indulge the ego-trip that was a photographic career. I used to go off on jobs with girls and imagined myself some kind of hero, and then after a few of those trips I realised that when I got home, there was nobody with whom to enjoy the memories, chat about the events, the places etc. and so as soon as the budgets got large enough, my wife became part of the group and travel took on a hugely new and better dimension; years after it had faded into memory we still had the occasional laugh at things we shared from those days... how much finer an experience than doing it alone.

Well, I have had the solitary experience for the past three-and-a-half years, and I don't recommend it to anyone.

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« Reply #3703 on: August 20, 2012, 04:15:08 PM »
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This one's for Fred & Rob.  New project for a federal government agency, warm and cozy enough for ya?

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« Reply #3704 on: August 20, 2012, 06:08:00 PM »
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Quite appropriate for a government agency: bare minimum, bare essentials... very efficient: nowhere to sit, just to look busy hurrying through those corridors of power... no chairs, no desks, no books, nothing to waste tax-payer money. Brilliant! Wink
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« Reply #3705 on: August 21, 2012, 02:45:32 AM »
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This one's for Fred & Rob.  New project for a federal government agency, warm and cozy enough for ya?

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A perfect example of a country rolling in milk and honey. Or is that syrup?

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« Reply #3706 on: August 21, 2012, 03:53:17 AM »
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And I thought I new it all about minimalism  Roll Eyes

Nice tones though.

Ps: Chris, you are on your way to answer to what scientist are desperatly trying to investigate about the nothingness-emptyness of the universe. Maybe those spaces are the representation of the singularity of a black hole where time and mater don't exist anymore.
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« Reply #3707 on: August 21, 2012, 02:25:49 PM »
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This one's for Fred & Rob.  New project for a federal government agency, warm and cozy enough for ya?




Minimalism somewhat confounds me.  If you live/work in Manhattan this space is expensive, in Little Rock, all it costs if building materials.  Problem is people in NY would dig it, Little Rock not so much. 

Sometimes I'm amazed at how beautiful simple objects can be, sometimes it leaves me cold.

I look at this photograph and adding people I can think of a dozen scenarios that would make it interesting, but that's just me, because I primarily photograph people.

Given that, it's a hell of a great and IMO good leap from the standard government project with smudged tan green walls and counters covered with paper signs saying stand to the left.

Lately I don't get it.  It seems we all get upset when some group, public or private spends money to take our surroundings and life further, but regardless of funding, isn't that the goal . . . to move forward?

Everywhere we turn we hear austerity and in every country I work everyone says the same thing . . . don't spend money, don't build more, don't . . . well you get the idea.

Standing with our feet stuck in sand doesn't do anything for anyone.

I always thought  the idea of growth is  to change and improve our condition, open our minds, do something that is different not the same. 

I understand learning from the past, I just don't understand staying there.

Still, it would be a great location to shoot a cosmetic spot.

IMO

BC

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« Reply #3708 on: August 22, 2012, 04:05:12 AM »
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Lately I don't get it.  It seems we all get upset when some group, public or private spends money to take our surroundings and life further, but regardless of funding, isn't that the goal . . . to move forward?

Everywhere we turn we hear austerity and in every country I work everyone says the same thing . . . don't spend money, don't build more, don't . . . well you get the idea.

Standing with our feet stuck in sand doesn't do anything for anyone.

I always thought  the idea of growth is  to change and improve our condition, open our minds, do something that is different not the same. 

I understand learning from the past, I just don't understand staying there.

IMO

BC


But itís not just people saying donít spend money; itís a fact that money simply isnít there for the spending.

Iíve been somewhat mystified by the ease with which blame is heaped solely on the bankers (with their watchers) of this world: it appears that the people who take out loans that they canít service are absolved from all and any responsibility in the matter. That the sellers of these loans make commission on clinching the deals isnít the only reason for the problem, itís also at least as much the fault of those who leap in where their brains must tell them they canít go. Yes, almost any society or family can stand these dumb deals for a while, say a couple of months or more in the case of a family, and then when the money in doesnít match the money out, the shit hits the fan. Itís the same with governments and local authorities, except that their fan is a little further away. But, in the end, that fan hits their shit.

And thatís where we are today: not only individuals but entire countries have made the fan connection.

It shows where Mrs Thatcher, a shopkeeperís daughter, had the firmer grasp on commercial and fiscal reality: she understood that the concepts of supply and demand are related and that neither can you realistically buy what you canít afford; that there is no point in producing products that no-one wants to buy. Inevitably, entire industries fell into the bin and what happened?  What happened was that, ultimately, they shot the messenger: some news is just too grim to swallow, so just pretend thereís a way around it; itíll keep the mobs off the streets a while longer.

Well, you canít. Thatís where we are, all of us, in or on the edge of that bin. Europe looks for handouts, others look to providing them and making more money from that; the lessons are not being learned and the fudge continues all round.

So, of course wiser heads are saying no, donít spend money you donít really have available for the spending; donít keep digging the hole youíre in any the deeper or youíll never be able to climb back out. I really believe that we have still, generally, not seen the mess that we are all in, that the illusion of blaming individual sectors of the economy is still thought to be the easy paddle to the beach from the wreck, that sacrifice of the few will save the necks of the many.

What will save the many? I donít know, I donít think anyone knows. I imagine that the only way will be to sink to the bottom and start again from there with, I hope, the benefits of hindsight. But Iím not optimistic; it happened to all the big civilizations that came before us Ė they rose and they fell. And it wasnít always a smooth transition from one to the next.

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« Reply #3709 on: August 22, 2012, 04:24:12 AM »
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But itís not just people saying donít spend money; itís a fact that money simply isnít there for the spending.

Iíve been somewhat mystified by the ease with which blame is heaped solely on the bankers
Rob C


This like saying:

"Don't blame the drug dealers, blame the drug addicts"

ŅSo... is the solution national bankruptcy, lawlessness, mass rioting and looting and mass starvation?

...if countries do not have the financial clout to pay their armed forces or buy arms, then anyone could invade - especial if NATO approved.

Decades ago... if any country was in difficulty the Western world supported it "to stop the communists getting in"

ŅAnybody want Greece?
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« Reply #3710 on: August 22, 2012, 06:02:01 AM »
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I really believe that we have still, generally, not seen the mess that we are all in...

I do beleive it too.

I imagine that the only way will be to sink to the bottom and start again from there with, I

It seems that we are going there inevitably.


euhh...this has turned way out of topic and we're now ready to be fired and sent to the coffee corner zone.

Well, it's holliday, Chris Sanderson might be having SBBs (siestas, beers and baths) and probably haven't read this...yet...
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« Reply #3711 on: August 22, 2012, 09:51:49 AM »
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This like saying:"Don't blame the drug dealers, blame the drug addicts"ŅSo... is the solution national bankruptcy, lawlessness, mass rioting and looting and mass starvation?...if countries do not have the financial clout to pay their armed forces or buy arms, then anyone could invade - especial if NATO approved.Decades ago... if any country was in difficulty the Western world supported it "to stop the communists getting in"ŅAnybody want Greece?



1. Blaming the drug addicts. Of course that makes sense; they are the idiots who provide a market; am I to hear yet more wet liberal excuses for everybodyís failures of mind and character? That, of course, doesnít mean donít blame the suppliers, too. Blame both and deal with both. Finally.

2. The solution: I already wrote I have no solution; is using fancy, non-existent money a solution? Does countries buying worthless Ďdebt bondsí make sense?

3. Invasions. As all seem to be in similar straights Iím not sure I see any organization wanting to declare war, I believe itís just Syriaís good luck that the Ďwestí feels bankrupt at this time. If not, Iím sure that the military complex (in the sense of the tool makers and the reconstruction gurus) would have been banging their invasion drums long ago. But, why would they risk their money if they doubt the governments can pay them back and if they also suspect that the foreign locals being messed with are no longer willing just to play victim any longer?

4. The Ďcommunistsí have already discredited themselves in both Russia and China, the patent failures of that philosophy have already come home to roost and both of them are far from where that term once implied; sure, North K and Cuba are still playing catch-up, but it takes time and internal realities to make the changes. But they will.

5. Greece. Where people forget reality is here: a civilization that is only a few years away from the pastoral can always go back. Before the 50s and the onset of mass tourism, Mallorca was a quiet, farming, fishing and grazing land with some light local industries such as the making of leather products from the natural abundance of raw material. Came tourism and concrete flourished as did thousands of useless bars and discos. If tourism and its pollution vanishes, the same people can swallow their angst and return to what they once did  (they are not afraid of hard work, as even their lives running bars will attest) and recreate virtual self-sufficiency. By no means did they all sell off their land for the mighty mark or pound. They have an economy of scale that worked and could work again. Itís more the huge industrialized nations for whom I fear; they have long lost the heritage of self-sufficiency they once had and thereís not a lot left to go back to in any meaningful way.

It is grim; I donít think there can be any soft solutions and, as I said, I don't have them.

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« Reply #3712 on: August 22, 2012, 10:08:42 AM »
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Iíve been somewhat mystified by the ease with which blame is heaped solely on the bankers (with their watchers) of this world: it appears that the people who take out loans that they canít service are absolved from all and any responsibility in the matter. That the sellers of these loans make commission on clinching the deals isnít the only reason for the problem, itís also at least as much the fault of those who leap in where their brains must tell them they canít go.




The problem with your argument is that when you hire a mortgage broker, banker, etc. you entrust them to look out for your best interests, not to find ways to dangle a carrot in front of you and get you in over your head so they can make more money. I experienced this first hand back when we bought our home (in hindsight at the worst possible time) when a mortgage broker I had hired was playing all kinds of games, some illegal, I had to fire him.



That said, this thread isn't the place for this discussion so here is a photo




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« Reply #3713 on: August 22, 2012, 01:29:13 PM »
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Hear hear!

and here.  Photo.  Killing time waiting for dusk to drop on a recent shoot, I set off to wander around downtown with the little camera (my 5d2).

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« Reply #3714 on: August 22, 2012, 01:41:21 PM »
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Thank heavens for that, the pictures are back.

Thought for a moment I'd strolled into Ye Olde Coffee Shoppe.
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« Reply #3715 on: August 22, 2012, 01:50:19 PM »
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...if countries do not have the financial clout to pay their armed forces or buy arms, then anyone could invade - especial if NATO approved.

Decades ago... if any country was in difficulty the Western world supported it "to stop the communists getting in"

ŅAnybody want Greece?

Hi Dick,

more than 30 years ago I was on summer vacation in France.
I met someone from the US and he asked me: "Where do you come from."
I answered: "I'm from Germany."
He asked again: "Our Germany or Russia's."
I replied: "Yours."
I learned a lot because he taught me afterwards how the world really works. (You remember: We had this iron curtain and western and eastern Germany.) In the end I think he wasn't that much interested in politics because I was on the beach with my blond girlfriend and she was wearing only her "perfectly designed topless swimsuit". His eyes were more on her than on me.

Best,
Johannes
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« Reply #3716 on: August 22, 2012, 02:09:22 PM »
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Thank heavens for that, the pictures are back.

Thought for a moment I'd strolled into Ye Olde Coffee Shoppe.

Hi,

recently I photographed the soul of an artist. She won a price and needed her portrait taken. To be honest: When I inserted the film holder (8x10 inch, does this qualify here?) into the camera the automatic Copal shutter didn't close the lens. So I got a long exposure with the modeling light. For the publication she took another image, which showed her surface.

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Johannes
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« Reply #3717 on: August 22, 2012, 02:33:45 PM »
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Hi Johannes.

Well, when I was in Paris I wanted to be in New-York,  when I was in England I wanted to be in Spain, and when I was in Madrid I wanted to be in Japan...


That reminds me of the animal which starved in the middle of two piles of food, because it wasn't able to decide where to go to eat.


As for the student job, it was really a student job, no glamour. I was sorting the internal letters for displaying in the offices...


That is exactly the cool thing. No responsibilities. Just being there, watching the world go by. And beautiful ladies.


And don't think that being a student in fine arts was always a fun experience...


This is often the problem. You are in the middle of the paradise and don't see it.


you should see that, a bunch of problematic existentialists childrens with no humour and intelectual posers.
it was very far from sex drugs and RnR. (maybe Alain Briot that also was in the Paris fine arts a generation before mine had more fun)
At that time I was involved in fashion, couture, in part because a woman I was going out with was working in a high fashion brand as a seamstress, and
I learned a lot from her. I wanted to be a fashion photographer and ended painting with very little success. As for everything  in life, there was lights and shades, things that were working well, others that didn't at all etc...

The first movie I was involved in at that time ended in a complete disaster. It was a 16mm b&w filmed with an Arri in a little studio rive gauche. I couldn't stand the 2 actors and I had to live.
I was so shy and unconfident that I ended periodically destroying my productions to make sure nobody see them. In Paris I met people like Lagarfeld, talking about unsignificant topics but I wasn't able to use those contacts for my own purpose. So you know a little more about the real story.


In fact, I'm  older and much happier now, maybe because I know a little bit more about this journey call life. I'm just starting to enjoy it fully and it gives me great satisfaction.

So you see Johannes how the mind works and invents its own scenario that has very little to do with the reality lived by each individual.
Not a long time ago I was invited to a shooting party at the house of a big photographer. But then, the models that were supposed to come canceled and we ended alone watching the formula one gran prix while eating crabs.
Then we went to swim in the house's pool and in this relax atmosphere I took the oportunity to ask him about how he started etc...how does one reach to work with the best models in the world etc...
I was expecting the big story, the Hollywood's version. The guy started to talk about his life, the real one, not the one I had constructed in my mind...and all the glamourous ideas I had vanished. He went through a lot of harsh things, included death of a son, sordid assignements at the beginning, humiliations etc...then also good time.
This afternoon I learned a lot more about the aparences and the surface. Our minds fool us, reality is never that good nor that bad.

Watch the movie Lawrence of arabia, then read the Book of Lawrence, the 7th pilars of wisdom (the truth story). Big difference!
Cheers.

Hi Fred,

You know what helps. A little bit of suffering when your are young. It makes it much easier to recognize a lucky situation if it is there.

Je vais venir dans la sud de la France (avec ma famille) . Je vais nager 3 kilomŤtre le matin et 3 avant le dÓner. Je suis sŻre, Áa va Ítre le meilleur temps de l'annťe. Et, je vais laisser tous mes cameras a maison!

Best,
Johannes
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« Reply #3718 on: August 22, 2012, 02:55:19 PM »
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Johannes, you don't need to swim; you're already too fit!

Now we know 'where you go to, my lovely' with that specially designed topless swimsuit! I loved Peter's music too.

Yep, those were the friggin' days! Happily, I did recognize them most of the time. Almost feel tempted to post a pictrure as an aide-memoire... nah, I'll sit on it. Would have been a professional image, though. Never mind.

I like the picture; I think there's a new Honda sports machine just out; the ad was over almost before I woke up to what I was watching.

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The problem with your argument is that when you hire a mortgage broker, banker, etc. you entrust them to look out for your best interests, not to find ways to dangle a carrot in front of you and get you in over your head so they can make more money. I experienced this first hand back when we bought our home (in hindsight at the worst possible time) when a mortgage broker I had hired was playing all kinds of games, some illegal, I had to fire him.




As that gentleman used to say in tennis: You cannot be serious!

Dear God, the entire ethic of business is the same: transfer the most money from account A to account B, with account B being yours!

When we sold our house to come here, the estate agent said it was worth pounds x; I laughed and told him to market it at pounds x plus twenty percent, which was my estimate of its worth. The house sold in two weeks and at my price, first view from that customer. Agencies are interested in regularity of sales, they have their own constant overheads to meet, they don't have time to hang about waiting for the best prices. Anyone working on low salary and depending on making commission isn't open to worrying about you; he worries about making the figures and meeting his own needs each payday.

It isn't nice but it is obvious.

I do like the photograph; saw the tail end of a commercial the other night which was showing a new Honda sports car... missed most of it before I became aware of what I was watching.

Rob C
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