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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2008, 02:43:17 PM »
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It would be real nice, if someone could post US price, instead of converting on our own.
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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2008, 03:28:09 PM »
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Sorry but I can't understand where's Sinar customer care. I bought an Emotion 54LV on July, price paid about 14.500 euros with RZ67 adapter, from the Italian distributor Mafer.

Now it's about 6000 euros. (add the adapter, I think about 750 euros, so about 7000)

Really angry and disappointed about Sinar policy.


Anyone Audi or Volkswagen guy knows about similar changes in their prices? So I will wait to buy a new wagon.

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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2008, 04:22:53 PM »
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Two months ago I bought the Hy6 with the e75r and paid $29,000 US.  I think that some adjustment or accommodation should be made for having paid $5,000 more just 60 days previously.

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Sinar has reduced the recommended enduser price of the following Sinarbacks and Sinar Hy6 Camera Systems:

A. Sinarbacks eMotion & eVolution

1. Sinarback eMotion 54 LV (22 MPx)

New Price Euro 6'037.- (old Euro 8'524.-)

2. Sinarback eMotion 75 LV (33 Mpx)

New price Euro 16'778.- (old price Euro 21'939.-)

3. Sinarback eVolution 75 H (33 Mpx)

New price Euro 16'778.- (old price Euro 21'939.-)

B. Sinar Hy6 Camera Systems

1. Sinar Hy6-e54

New Price Euro 11'372.- (old price Euro 14'018.-)

2. Sinar Hy6-e54r (with revolving adapter)

New Price Euro 12'128.- (old price Euro 14'872.-)

3. Sinar Hy6-e75

New price Euro 17'500.- (old price Euro 20'671.-)

4. Sinar Hy6-e75r (with revolving adapter)

New price Euro 17'805.- (old price Euro 22'500.-)

5. Sinar Hy6-v75

New price Euro 17'500.- (old price Euro 24'329.-)

Please contact your local distributor for more details.

Best regards,
Thierry
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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2008, 04:28:22 PM »
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Thought I'd save Michael the trouble:

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One can only guess as to the reasons for this fire sale, and I'll leave the more financially knowledgeable among readers to fathom it out for themselves. Overall though it seems to me to be an unhealthy trend for the MF industry, as lower margins (for dealers as well) combined with our current global financial crisis (which is causing credit to dry up and consumer to be wary), could well lead to a considerably constriction in the marketplace. Add to this cameras like the 25MP Sony A900 and 21MP Canon 5D MII full frame cameras at around $2,500, and one has to wonder at the economic viability of much of the medium format marketplace.

As consumers we all like lower prices. But what will be the cost of this to the companies that make them and who find their margins and sales drying up? Desperation is contagious.

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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2008, 04:33:12 PM »
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The virus does seem to have caught on
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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2008, 05:17:41 PM »
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I must say that I can't blame Sinar.

They are just trying to stay competitive with the others.

Hasselblad started it by dropping their bodies and backs 40%.

Now we have to see what Leaf will do.

However it is a bummer for people that recently purchased an outfit.

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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2008, 05:21:16 PM »
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if we are now in an age when customers don't want manufacturers to reduce prices, because the customers believe thats the only way for the manufacturers to keep going, you might wonder what hope there is for the capitalist system
the majority of medium format companies are text book examples of poor business practices - make it as hard as you can to let a customer buy, use opaque pricing, provide as little technical and operational information as possible, and make promises without substantiating them or implementing them

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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2008, 05:35:26 PM »
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if we are now in an age when customers don't want manufacturers to reduce prices, because the customers believe thats the only way for the manufacturers to keep going, you might wonder what hope there is for the capitalist system
the majority of medium format companies are text book examples of poor business practices - make it as hard as you can to let a customer buy, use opaque pricing, provide as little technical and operational information as possible, and make promises without substantiating them or implementing them

I was about to post, but you beat me to it.

I find the complaining about lowering prices the most INSANE thing I've ever heard.  I swear half the people on this forum work for a back maker in some form of klutsy faux "word of mouth" marketing.  Really. If a company can't sell a product to their customers because the price is too high, due in large part to inefficiencies in their operations, well, iron out your inefficiencies and lower the price to what the market will accept, or become a really high end product and give up the volume.  Or better yet, one maker, maybe two, should merge or go under.

Yeah, if I bought 60 days ago and now the price drops, I'd be pissed.  But that is the hazard with electronics purchases.

Now, lets get us some US prices instead of my back of the envelope Euro/Dollar conversion.



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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2008, 06:04:33 PM »
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Below are the US catalog prices for the various Sinarback combinations. These prices reflect 20% off the standard US catalog price.

Sinar Hy6/e75LV $29,200.00

Sinar Hy6/e75LVr $30,400.00

Sinar Hy6/e54LV $24,160.00

Sinar Hy6/e54LVr $25,520.00

Sinar Hy6/v75 $32,200.00

Sinarback eMotion 54LV $14,156.00

Sinarback eMotion 75LV $26,000.00

Sinarback eVolution 75H $28,400.00
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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2008, 08:10:11 PM »
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Dear TMARK,

I am sure SinarBron will reduce their prices as well and accordingly. I cannot tell if it will be exactly the same, for this you will have to contact them.

Thanks and best regards,
Thierry

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Assuming that these prices hold for the US, the 54s back is what, about $8k?  The Hy6-54s is what, $14500?  This is great news.  I wonder if SinarBron USA will let people know about the price drops.  Even though I mainly do video now, at $8k, I might just get a 54s for my RZs.

Thierry, do you know what SinarBron is going to charge?
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« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2008, 08:12:27 PM »
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Thought I'd save Michael the trouble:



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     Nice!!

And Thank you Cfranson, appreciate you finding it,as I couldn't find the prices @ Calumet.
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« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2008, 08:13:20 PM »
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TMARK,

SinarBron has got this information 3 days ago already. I can only recommend you to contact them for details.

Thanks and best regards,
Thierry

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Thierry,

I'll buy a 54s if I know what the price is.  When will SinarBron USA have information?  I know its a Friday and all, and I know its like fall weather here in teh North East USA, but this is BIG news.  Also, can I buy directly from SinarBron or do I have to go through a dealer? If I have to go the dealer route, who els eis a dealer in NYC?  Erwin at Calumet?

Thanks in advance Thierry.
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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2008, 08:17:29 PM »
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Dear Edwards,

The multishot back has been reduced in price as well (see above):

3. Sinarback eVolution 75 H (33 Mpx)

New price Euro 16'778.- (old price Euro 21'939.-)

Best regards,
Thierry

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Hi Thierry,

These names and combinations are so confusing, not just Sinar, everybody.

Do you have a price, either in Euros or in UK money of your multishot back (whatever you call it!) on its own, to mount on a Sinar P2 view camera. I'm thinking of adding a third camera back for situations where I need extreme detailed quality and therefore I'd be interested in arranging a demo, at my London studio.

Many thanks,


Edward
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« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2008, 08:31:47 PM »
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Roberto,

we have discussed this together via mail and yourself with our Italian distributor already: the story is a little different, if I remember correctly. You have bought a Sinarback eMotion 22 (older model) which you then upgraded to a brand new eMotion 54 LV, and you actually told me that you paid Euro 11'500.-, not 14'500.-.

It is normal, in the life cycle of any product of this kind, to have price reductions.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Sorry but I can't understand where's Sinar customer care. I bought an Emotion 54LV on July, price paid about 14.500 euros with RZ67 adapter, from the Italian distributor Mafer.

Now it's about 6000 euros. (add the adapter, I think about 750 euros, so about 7000)

Really angry and disappointed about Sinar policy.


Anyone Audi or Volkswagen guy knows about similar changes in their prices? So I will wait to buy a new wagon.

Roberto Pastrovicchio    http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/style_...default/mad.gif



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« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2008, 08:35:42 PM »
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... Which means, Nick?

Could you emphasize your thoughts?

Thanks and best regards,
Thierry

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Thought I'd save Michael the trouble:



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« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2008, 08:43:05 PM »
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If I have to go the dealer route, who els eis a dealer in NYC?  Erwin at Calumet?

TMark, ask for Jeff at here you can arrange to try Sinar, Leaf, Hasselblad
at the same time or simply buy any Sinar DB if you have already decided!!!

What's interesting as far as I am concerned is that Broncolor PowerPacks seem like a good deal now, 40% off
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« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2008, 10:48:17 PM »
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And Thank you Cfranson, appreciate you finding it,as I couldn't find the prices @ Calumet.
Calumet isn't the only Sinar dealer around.   Sinar Bron sent us the promotional information a few days ago.
-Chris
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« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2008, 10:50:01 PM »
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Dear TMARK,

I am sure SinarBron will reduce their prices as well and accordingly. I cannot tell if it will be exactly the same, for this you will have to contact them.

Thanks and best regards,
Thierry

Thierry, in the post immediately above yours, I've listed the US pricing as sent to us directly from SinarBron.
-Chris
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« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2008, 10:54:42 PM »
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Thanks Chris,

SBI has been sent the new prices last wednesday: I believe those posted by you do not yet reflect these price reductions.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Thierry, in the post immediately above yours, I've listed the US pricing as sent to us directly from SinarBron.
-Chris
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« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2008, 01:54:38 AM »
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Thanks Thierry.  I'll see if I can get in touch with SinarBron when I get back from a job next week.  

I would love to buy Bron lighting but I drpped $21k on Profoto last year.  I'm not switching until my Profoto gear won't work anymore, which means probably never.

As to the back, if the prices are in line with the Euro prices, I'm in.  I've always liked the Dalsa chip, 22 mpx is MORE than enough for magazine and ad work, the 54s is fast, has internal memory, uses adapter plates . . . true, the software is off putting, but if worse comes to worse I can make into dng and open in LR 2.0.  

Thierry, is Sinar still offering the 54m?

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