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« on: February 03, 2009, 05:45:33 PM »
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Reading Michael's latest essay on high definition camera's brings to mind how sad I feel at the demise of the 5d Mk 1.  I have no need for 20+ megs.  My work is on  the net and my prints rarely exceed 16x24.  I don't want or need the hassle of processing huge files and the need to buy a new computer and much, much more storage. I  love my large photosites. What I do need though is a full frame 12-15 mg Canon, because I love my 85 f 1.2, and my 24 f 1.4. Unfortunately Canon no longer makes such a camera. How long will I be able to use my 5D?  Insanity!
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2009, 06:22:50 PM »
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Reading Michael's latest essay on high definition camera's brings to mind how sad I feel at the demise of the 5d Mk 1.  I have no need for 20+ megs.  My work is on  the net and my prints rarely exceed 16x24.  I don't want or need the hassle of processing huge files and the need to buy a new computer and much, much more storage. I  love my large photosites. What I do need though is a full frame 12-15 mg Canon, because I love my 85 f 1.2, and my 24 f 1.4. Unfortunately Canon no longer makes such a camera. How long will I be able to use my 5D?  Insanity!

  Well, since a 16x24 print equals about a 35MP shot at 300ppi, I'd say you probably could use the resolution.  The 5Dii is lower noise, higher resolution, and higher in DR than the 5D. What's not to like?
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2009, 06:25:59 PM »
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How long will I be able to use my 5D?  Insanity!

You can perhaps buy a few second hand 5Ds and keep using them for the next 20 years or so... you might run into problems with 5D raw files not being supported anymore in 10 years if you decide to upgrade your computer to Windows 9 and ACR12, but you'll still be able to shoot jpg.

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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2009, 07:06:53 PM »
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Unfortunately Canon no longer makes such a camera. How long will I be able to use my 5D?  Insanity!


Totally agree. Maybe the 1D Mark IV will be 12 megapixel full frame....
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2009, 08:17:15 PM »
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You can perhaps buy a few second hand 5Ds and keep using them for the next 20 years or so... you might run into problems with 5D raw files not being supported anymore in 10 years if you decide to upgrade your computer to Windows 9 and ACR12, but you'll still be able to shoot jpg.

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Bernard

What!! Do you think there's a likelihood that older versions of Photoshop or DPP will no longer be compatible with new operating system? I never considered that. Is it no longer possible to install Photoshop 6 or 7 on a Vista machine? Is it likely that at some point Adobe will start dropping support for certain RAW formats? If they do, there'll certainly be a market niche to fill for some enterprising person. RAW files are forever, aren't they?  
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2009, 08:20:32 PM »
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What!! Do you think there's a likelihood that older versions of Photoshop or DPP will no longer be compatible with new operating system? I never considered that. Is it no longer possible to install Photoshop 6 or 7 on a Vista machine?

I don't know if it is the case, but yes, it is totally possible.

The latest version of OSX will for instance not support anymore older PowerPC applications,...

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2009, 08:48:41 PM »
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Could you not convert your CR2 files to DNG (and embed the CR2s)?

Presumably, Adobe will support its own format for a few years yet!

Or, you could also stockpile an older computer and some long-forgotten software alongside your pile of ancient 5Ds.
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2009, 11:42:46 PM »
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Or, you could also stockpile an older computer and some long-forgotten software alongside your pile of ancient 5Ds.
But where would he get vacuum tubes for his antique computer when they burn out?
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2009, 11:52:00 PM »
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But where would he get vacuum tubes for his antique computer when they burn out?

Hey, watch it buddy. Those of us who use old tube amps with our electric guitars will do just about anything for a nice set of original Mullards as it is. We don't need any additional  competition...
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2009, 01:41:26 AM »
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you can convert your RAW into DNG and it will normally work for the next 20 years
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2009, 07:50:35 AM »
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Unfortunately Canon no longer makes such a camera. How long will I be able to use my 5D?  Insanity!

Maxguzen, I feel your pain.  And I want to help.  If you'll purchase a 5DII and ship it to me prepaid I'll help you by sending my 5D to you.  All I ask is that you pay the return freight.

Deal?

Like you, I have as much need for a 5DII as I do for a P65, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to have it.  Not enough to buy one, but enough that if my camera failed the pain would be somewhat assuaged by the knowledge I could now justify the 5DII.  Live view is enticement enough.
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2009, 11:16:14 AM »
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Maxguzen, I feel your pain.  And I want to help.  If you'll purchase a 5DII and ship it to me prepaid I'll help you by sending my 5D to you.  All I ask is that you pay the return freight.

Deal?

Like you, I have as much need for a 5DII as I do for a P65, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to have it.  Not enough to buy one, but enough that if my camera failed the pain would be somewhat assuaged by the knowledge I could now justify the 5DII.  Live view is enticement enough.

I too would like live view and some of the other goodies. The point of this post is that I would like them in a 12-15 meg full frame package which Canon no longer makes.
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2009, 01:05:13 PM »
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I too would like live view and some of the other goodies. The point of this post is that I would like them in a 12-15 meg full frame package which Canon no longer makes.

So maybe the time is right for a "full-frame Rebel".......the Rebel XFF..........hmmmm.........  I'd probably buy one.........
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2009, 04:21:20 PM »
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sRAW1 on the 5D2 is 10 megapixels......

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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2009, 05:43:41 PM »
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sRAW1 on the 5D2 is 10 megapixels......

Gordon

That's a thought Gordon, although if I had the mk II I can't imagine myself shooting at anything other then full res.  It's just that I have been waiting as I moved up in cameras over the past few years to finally get to a place where I didn't feel that I needed to upgrade. 12 Megs did it for me. I really don't need anymore. I enjoy the new toys I have with my 40d but prefer full frame with my lens selection.  When my 5d die's I'm sure I"ll get a MkII or 3 or whatever. It will mean $3,000 for a new MBP plus the camera though. I had my Leica's for 30 years and never needed to upgrade, but that's another story.  There's never going to be a "keeper" in 21st century photography.
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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2009, 06:00:41 PM »
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That's a thought Gordon, although if I had the mk II I can't imagine myself shooting at anything other then full res.  It's just that I have been waiting as I moved up in cameras over the past few years to finally get to a place where I didn't feel that I needed to upgrade. 12 Megs did it for me. I really don't need anymore. I enjoy the new toys I have with my 40d but prefer full frame with my lens selection.  When my 5d die's I'm sure I"ll get a MkII or 3 or whatever. It will mean $3,000 for a new MBP plus the camera though. I had my Leica's for 30 years and never needed to upgrade, but that's another story.  There's never going to be a "keeper" in 21st century photography.
Well, let's seen what you'd have to lose by moving to the 5D MkII if your 5D should fail.

DxO Mark is actually fairly suitable for this comparison, since you can normalise to a print size of 8x12 inches.

Go to the 5D vs 5D MkII comparison, select Print in each relevant point of comparison for you, and see how it works.

From what I can tell, and the reports I've read online, you don't stand to lose anything by using a 5D MkII and printing to the same sizes that you use your 5D MkI for.

In other words, it appears to be a win-win situation.
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2009, 08:03:45 PM »
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Well, let's seen what you'd have to lose by moving to the 5D MkII if your 5D should fail.

DxO Mark is actually fairly suitable for this comparison, since you can normalise to a print size of 8x12 inches.

Go to the 5D vs 5D MkII comparison, select Print in each relevant point of comparison for you, and see how it works.

From what I can tell, and the reports I've read online, you don't stand to lose anything by using a 5D MkII and printing to the same sizes that you use your 5D MkI for.

In other words, it appears to be a win-win situation.
I'm happy with were I'm at, but it's not sustainable. I'm continuously forced to give more to asquire something I don't want. In this case a 5dII plus a new MBP.  6'000 dollars. Who exatley is this a win-win situation for.  It's great for Michael , he gets alot of new stuff to keep writing about. It kind of sucks for me.
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2009, 10:37:11 PM »
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It's kind of sad that new stuff sometimes makes us question existing gear beyond where it makes sense to do so.

If the 5D does it for you, keep shooting and enjoying it. It has not suddenly become a poor camera at all. It is capable of awesome results. In a year or so, 2nd hand ones will be available, and the price of new may be down too.

I bought my 20D in 2005. I still use it. great camera for my purposes. As my technique and preferred subject matter has have evolved, so have some of my needs. I wanted FF, so I recently grabbed an open box 5D. It offers the possibility of great results at a great price. that's what matters to me.


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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2009, 10:53:44 AM »
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although if I had the mk II I can't imagine myself shooting at anything other then full res.


I can. I end up shooting a lot of studio head shots (mug shots) for media guides, press releases, etc. Nobody on the planet needs a 21-megapixel, 60+ Megabyte head shot for newspaper reproduction. A high-quality JPEG file made from that would be too large to email on our campus system. Sheesh.
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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2009, 11:14:44 AM »
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I'm happy with were I'm at, but it's not sustainable. I'm continuously forced to give more to asquire something I don't want. In this case a 5dII plus a new MBP.  6'000 dollars. Who exatley is this a win-win situation for.  It's great for Michael , he gets alot of new stuff to keep writing about. It kind of sucks for me.

What's an MBP?
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