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« on: April 22, 2009, 04:54:59 AM »
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Havn't seen this one yet, looks like a new small solution for studio
http://www.galerie-photo.com/arca-swiss/ar...m-line-two.html (it's in french)
The M-Line two is for use with digital backs
The M-Line slr is for DSLR cameras.

Looks nice.



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PS: Please Arca, invest 2000-3000 Euro and get a website;-)))
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2009, 05:15:58 AM »
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Havn't seen this one yet, looks like a new small solution for studio
http://www.galerie-photo.com/arca-swiss/ar...m-line-two.html (it's in french)
The M-Line two is for use with digital backs
The M-Line slr is for DSLR cameras.

Looks nice.



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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2009, 05:19:16 AM »
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Thank you Tom for that hint .

As I am an ARCA freak since many years , I am always interested in news about ARCA .
I am working with a 6x9 + 4x5 F-LINE METRIC with orbix . Film and digital .
Never regretted the buy .
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2009, 06:12:16 AM »
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Quote from: tom_l
http://www.galerie-photo.com/arca-swiss/ar...m-line-two.html (it's in french)
The M-Line two is for use with digital backs
The M-Line slr is for DSLR cameras.
Looks great, but seems they bungled the leveling base again. Its so easy to forget that you need a tripod head with the Arca, where the Linhof CS does not making it ultimately more compact for travel.

I have always loved the Arca's as well, and handled a Monolith at a local dealer last year. They are beautifully made.
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2009, 06:48:46 AM »
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So for the kind of work this set up is aimed at..studio jewellery shoots, etc what do users find works best...this type of set up..i.e. a mfdb / dslr on a view camera with view camera lens or one of the posible tilt/shift lens options available (i.e. nikon 85m PC, etc ) or the hasselblad tilt shift mechanism?

I'm asking for comparisons here between slr and mfdbs at the back..merely the different front end options for each digital capture....

Thanks.
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2009, 08:56:03 AM »
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So for the kind of work this set up is aimed at..studio jewellery shoots, etc what do users find works best...this type of set up..i.e. a mfdb / dslr on a view camera with view camera lens or one of the posible tilt/shift lens options available (i.e. nikon 85m PC, etc ) or the hasselblad tilt shift mechanism?

Thanks.


A good digital back and digital lens still far superior to a DSLR... (i have a 5D II and TSE lenses...).

I will probably buy the M line TWO for... architecture...

While solution like RM3D, Cambo RS, Alpa Max are nive... i would love to find a real large format camera that can use a 35, even a 28 ... and long lenses... with a sliding/stiching back !

But first i need to find the cash, and then, i need to make shure that perfect focusing still possible with a 35 and a ground glass...
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2009, 09:54:35 AM »
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i was not in any way trying to compare  a digitlal back to a dslr.
no, my question was comparing the tilt lens set ups of each medium (dslr and medium format) against a view camera and lens set for each medium.



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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2009, 09:58:33 AM »
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i've found out that if you need a lot of movements with a canon, the body doesn't help you... the mirex is a simple solution... lens shorter that around 100 are difficult to use with the combo SLR/view camera... but that M must be better for that use... no back frame !
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2009, 02:19:50 AM »
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Please, this is the press release in english of M-Line two!
Best Regards,
Maud H-M

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The M-Line two: an all-round view camera!

You own a 35mm DSLR camera and want to take more elaborate images using shift for perspective control and Scheimpflug* for image sharpness with your medium format digital film back? Or perhaps your dream is to shoot the sharpest landscape images on 4x5”? Well, all this is possible with the new ARCA-SWISS M-Line Two!

ARCA-SWISS has developed two new view cameras in response to customer demand: the M-Line two Single Lens Reflex (SLR) and the M-Line two Medium Format (MF). These are all-round cameras that allow you to work from 35 mm to 4x5”.

ARCA-SWISS has a vast selection of accessories that can transform the M-Line Two into a 6x9 medium format or even a 4x5” camera.

The use of tilt and shift, in particular with a 35mm DSLR camera today, allows you to push your creative boundaries, encouraging you to discover a world that was hitherto only accessible to professionals working in specific fields.




* The sharpness of the image is dependent on 3 planes – subject, lens and film - when the 3 are perfectly aligned or when all 3 intersect.


A different philosophy


The M-Line two has been reduced to the bare essentials but can be easily customized. This offers a number of advantages: more efficient design and a lightweight camera weighing barely over 2kg (4,4 lbs) that is simple to use thanks to individual movements.

On the Monolith system, tilt/swing and shift are incorporated onto a single standard. On the M-Line two, they have been separated: shift on the rear standard and tilt/swing on the front.  This offers the advantage of being able to maintain the same angle of view because the shift is positioned at the rear.

Shift is often used today in digital photography to increase the angle of view and enhance definition. By removing tilt/swing from the rear standard, the probability of error is removed and a parallel film plane – essential for digital photography – is guaranteed.

The use of an extension rail and bellows allows a variable scale of reproduction making it possible to photograph a postage stamp or a wide landscape using the same configuration. The camera is equipped with ARCA-SWISS’ patented Orbix tilt system, the only device that allows you to maintain full control over the plane of focus.

When used with a DSLR camera or a digital back, this new precision system enables you to take images of buildings, landscapes or objects with the fullest of control.  It’s ideal for landscapes to macros. The M-Line two is part of one of the largest photographic systems currently available and is compatible with all DSLR cameras.

All traditional medium format film backs are compatible with the M-Line two. The usable focal length extends from 28mm for the M-Line two SLR and 23mm for the M-Line two MF, to infinity.  The type of film used, and in particular the colour negatives used in the medium format camera, offer a high quality result, so give it a try!!

ARCA-SWISS cameras continue to evolve in line with photography and technology, yet continue to embrace the past.  Today, even with digital photography, certain situations can only be matched with the versatility of a large format camera.  ARCA-SWISS cameras are built to the highest standards of precision, offering rapid and precise control of image sharpness and perspective, so that you can produce the most detailed and colour-rich images.

Technical specifications: M-Line two SLR and  M-Line two MF

Dimensions:  Length 250 mm, Depth 140 mm, Height 300 mm
Weight   Barely over 2 kg (4,4 lbs)
Vertical shift           70 mm
Horizontal shift      70 mm
Swing         30°
Tilt            90°
Maximum extension   190 mm (depending on the configuration)
Adaptors available for the M-Line two DSLR: Canon, Nikon, Sony
Adaptors available for the M-Line two MF: Contax 645, Hasselblad V/H, Mamiya 645 AFD, AFI / HY6

Accessories:  binocular viewfinder, lens hood, extension rail, Compendium

Price: from € 2990 excl VAT
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2009, 02:35:51 AM »
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Arca Swiss make beautiful camera gear - but really - no web site? No way to contact company and get decent information on products?
Very user unfriendly...

such a shame.
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2009, 02:54:53 AM »
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For users of this site there really isn't a problem. Just post your question here and someone from AS will contact you very, very soon. I had a question about an adapter, posted it here and got an answer a few hours later. But, indeed, they should get a website soon now.
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2009, 05:53:55 AM »
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quote name='PeterA' date='Apr 23 2009, 03:35 AM' post='278367']
Arca Swiss make beautiful camera gear - but really - no web site? No way to contact company and get decent information on products?
Very user unfriendly...

such a shame.
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CONTACT ARCA-SWISS:

ARCA-SWISS International
29, Quartier de l'europe,
Espace Valentin,
FR-25048 Besançon
France
PH: ++33 381 85 40 60
Fax: ++33 381 85 40 69
arca-swiss@wanadoo.fr

Press contact: Maud Huot-Marchand
comm.arca-swiss@orange.fr
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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2009, 06:16:56 AM »
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thank You H-M!!
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quote name='PeterA' date='Apr 23 2009, 03:35 AM' post='278367']
Arca Swiss make beautiful camera gear - but really - no web site? No way to contact company and get decent information on products?
Very user unfriendly...

such a shame.


CONTACT ARCA-SWISS:

ARCA-SWISS International
29, Quartier de l'europe,
Espace Valentin,
FR-25048 Besançon
France
PH: ++33 381 85 40 60
Fax: ++33 381 85 40 69
arca-swiss@wanadoo.fr

Press contact: Maud Huot-Marchand
comm.arca-swiss@orange.fr
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2009, 11:47:04 AM »
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This looks interesting as a kind of 'intermediate' step betwen DSLR and LF digital, allowing the use of a view camera without having to invest in a MF digital back. I could see using this with a D3x/D700x; seling off my current primes and T/S lenses and replacing them with LF digital lenses, while still keeping a couple of zooms for when I don't want to use the DSLR without the view camera.

I'm wondering about the fact that there are two separate models for DSLR's and MF. I would hope there is some sort of modular upgrade path that would allow me to go from the DSLR model to MFDB without having to replace the whole thing?

Of course, I'm afraid to ask what the price is considering that the C1 cube costs $2K (it's a great piece of gear though).
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2009, 08:11:57 AM »
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It looks very similar to SINAR P, I wonder if they (SINAR) had patents on their design...
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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2009, 09:11:57 AM »
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It looks very similar to SINAR P, I wonder if they (SINAR) had patents on their design...

If you'd ever actually seen a Sinar P and an Arca M-line up close -- and  more importantly, actually adjusted them -- you'd realize how ridiculous that comment was...


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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2009, 10:13:11 AM »
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It looks very similar to SINAR P, I wonder if they (SINAR) had patents on their design...


Can't wait to see what the Koreans can do with this   :>))


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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2009, 11:25:36 AM »
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The P design dates from the 1970's and the ARCA looks like a copy, that's my only point. We saw the Koreans doing a copy of ARCA and how they responded.

This is what Wikipedia has about the original P design:

[blockquote]The Sinar P introduced in 1970, further advanced the technology of the view camera by introducing asymmetric tilt and swing, not the traditional center or base tilts. This means rapid and precise settings, without ever losing sharpness on the axis. The P also introduced features such as self arresting gearing (which allows one handed manipulation of camera movements), a quick format change system that allows the photographer to quickly switch between 4×5/5×7/8×10 without having to fully disassemble the rear standard (which is accomplished by using a common rear standard bearer), and only having to unlock a single knob in order to switch between the various format frames, and also introduced the Sinar system of calculating swings and tilts as well as the Sinar depth of field calculator....[/blockquote]


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Can't wait to see what the Koreans can do with this   :>))


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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2009, 03:20:32 AM »
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Nothing wrong with the Koreans!
I love my Multiclam Ball head and Multiflex head.

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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2009, 12:52:03 PM »
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A good digital back and digital lens still far superior to a DSLR... (i have a 5D II and TSE lenses...).

I will probably buy the M line TWO for... architecture...

While solution like RM3D, Cambo RS, Alpa Max are nive... i would love to find a real large format camera that can use a 35, even a 28 ... and long lenses... with a sliding/stiching back !

But first i need to find the cash, and then, i need to make shure that perfect focusing still possible with a 35 and a ground glass...

I use a 5D with digitars and a cambo x2pro and the results are pretty nice. not sinar p multishot nice, but for the price, very good - MUCH better than canon TSE's
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