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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2009, 11:36:23 PM »
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I know the 17mm TS-E has its applications; as a 4x5 architectural shooter, my 75mm lens (19mm equiv.) gets much love. But it also taught me to use it sparingly, only when the situation demands it.

That said: Canon, now it's time for a 35mm TS-E.

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For me, this is a 'get me out of trouble lens', I intensely dislike interiors shot with a lens as wide as this. I guess real estate people need this kind of thing.  

And yes, that 35 TS-E would be great.  I'll be interested in testing the new 24 with the 1.4 converter, but in general I don't like the effect with that converter. The greater image circle of the 24 TSE 2 might make this more practical.


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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2009, 06:36:31 AM »
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Here is one more sample - F11 1/250th 1 degree of tilt 2 degrees of shift.

What I would call a less extreme and more normal use of this lens for perspective correction.

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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2009, 10:06:25 AM »
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... Canon, now it's time for a 35mm TS-E.

Concur.

I really liked the original FD 35 TS (aside from the rotating front element and very sloppy mount).  As a "travel light" backpacker, the 35 TS and 85 mm made a great 2-lens hiking combo.  When the EOS line came out I bought the original 24 TS-E and sent it back -- not sharp enough.  Now I carry the 90 TS-E and 35 f/2 with the 5d2.

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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2009, 10:17:39 AM »
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Concur.

I really liked the original FD 35 TS (aside from the rotating front element and very sloppy mount).  As a "travel light" backpacker, the 35 TS and 85 mm made a great 2-lens hiking combo.  When the EOS line came out I bought the original 24 TS-E and sent it back -- not sharp enough.  Now I carry the 90 TS-E and 35 f/2 with the 5d2.

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The 35mm FD TS can be modified to an EOS mount with some surgery (that allows infinity focus).  SK Grimes offer the service (although mine was not done by them).
Here are a couple of examples

http://www.pbase.com/mike_broomfield/image/71014965
http://www.pbase.com/mike_broomfield/image/57532487
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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2009, 10:04:44 AM »
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The 35mm FD TS can be modified to an EOS mount with some surgery (that allows infinity focus).  SK Grimes offer the service (although mine was not done by them).
Here are a couple of examples

http://www.pbase.com/mike_broomfield/image/71014965
http://www.pbase.com/mike_broomfield/image/57532487

Nice shots.  I'm reminded why I liked my 35 TS -- great DOF without the distortions of superwides.

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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2009, 08:55:54 PM »
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Thanks Paul..

And to get the post back on track I think I will have to pony up for this lens  
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« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2009, 07:30:27 PM »
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Does anyone have an idea about availability of the 17 in the US?

It looks like a very good lens. I have one on order but I don't know if any have been delivered in the US.  I don't think it will make me lazy. I have a 35mm Nikkor PC that I use on a Canon.  I use that a lot for exteriors of homes.

Using extreme wide angle lenses can be tricky but are very useful for interior shots where one is trying to show the layout of a home.  I shoot at 16mm quite a lot.

I have 6 TSE and PC lenses. When stitching, I never use the shift.  I prefer to tilt up, shoot as wide as I need and align the verticals in Autopano when outputting the pano.
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2009, 04:19:13 AM »
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After a bit more serious use of the 17mm, I can but echo other people's comments on it's image quality, even at full shift.

It's even been used on a 'real job' where I was taking photos of some newly built equipment in a factory. A bit of tilt enabled the entire new production line to be in sharp focus from operators screen a couple of feet away to the far end of the line 60-70 feet away. Unfortunately not an image I can show freely :-(

I took it with me on a couple of walks through Leicester to have a go using it hand-held, and (with the aid of a ruled focus screen) found that with care it's just fine.  I like having a shift lens with me when looking round new cities - particularly since I'll almost certainly not have a tripod with me (unless on a job)

This pic is from a few hand held TS-E17 shots


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« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2009, 07:31:58 AM »
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Nice shot Keith.  
I hope I can get a copy of this lens before the end of the year when I head back to the UK for Christmas.  I usually visit Hampton Ct as I stay with family just across the river.  The palace has a lot of littel alleyways and squares that would benefit from this lens.
Here are a few taken with the 21mm Distagon.
http://www.pbase.com/mike_broomfield/image/90996181
http://www.pbase.com/mike_broomfield/image/91013597
http://www.pbase.com/mike_broomfield/image/91013623

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« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2009, 02:42:31 PM »
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Stated very well Pedro (nice work on flickr).  I love working with the ultra wides on my 4x5 (72XL in particular) and am looking forward to the arrival of my 17mm TS-E.  We have to get around the fascination factor that comes with that wide angle effect and not let it get in the way of judging the composition.
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« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2009, 06:52:16 AM »
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... We have to get around the fascination factor that comes with that wide angle effect and not let it get in the way of judging the composition.
Very true - I always think of it as the 'new toy effect' or less flatteringly 'to the man with a new hammer, every problem is a nail' :-)

I'm still waiting for the 24mm to turn up here in the UK, and have a job lined up that will make use of both lenses. The timing is such that as long as I get shots within the next couple of months it's fine, so I'll wait for the 24 to turn up.

BTW I tried out the TS-E 17mm with a x2 TC (don't have a x1.4) and found that it works fine, but not really sharp enough with the x2. I've heard a few people say that the 17 with x1.4 (~24mm) is of reasonable quality (as to whether it's good enough depends on your wallet and degree of pickiness ;-)  The TC did not show up in EXIF data at all when I tried it.
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« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2009, 08:19:41 AM »
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I have a 17 TSE that I've been testing. I've got two blog posts on it:

Quick Look - Canon 17mm TSE

Longer Look - Canon 17mm TSE

From what I can see the lens has no CA and no visible distortion.  It has incredible resolution but... it really wants to be shot at f/16 if you are running it with a full 12mm shift.  With no shift f/11 is great is and f/8 may be fine as well.
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« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2009, 09:05:45 AM »
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I have a 17 TSE that I've been testing. I've got two blog posts on it:

Quick Look - Canon 17mm TSE

Longer Look - Canon 17mm TSE

From what I can see the lens has no CA and no visible distortion.  It has incredible resolution but... it really wants to be shot at f/16 if you are running it with a full 12mm shift.  With no shift f/11 is great is and f/8 may be fine as well.
Thanks a lot for the images Jan. I miss a bit a full detail shot of ā shifted corner, your shot show sky in the corner. This might be for most practical purposes not so important sometimes it certainly is. Stopping down to f16 isnt such great deal with the canons for their great long exposure possibilidades and for blurred people you can probably use f11 and iso800, but its clear that a rodenstock hr lens is the better choice, but the price. I will buy the 17& 24tse probably too as backup system at least its great now.
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« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2009, 11:02:58 AM »
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Thanks a lot for the images Jan. I miss a bit a full detail shot of ā shifted corner, your shot show sky in the corner. This might be for most practical purposes not so important sometimes it certainly is. Stopping down to f16 isnt such great deal with the canons for their great long exposure possibilidades and for blurred people you can probably use f11 and iso800, but its clear that a rodenstock hr lens is the better choice, but the price. I will buy the 17& 24tse probably too as backup system at least its great now.

I don't think anyone is claiming this will rival a rodenstock hr or digital lens, a pancake style view camera, and a P45 or similar.  It is a huge improvement though for dslr based work.

I've attached a corner crop showing the upper right corner of the right hand file that made this image.  12mm shift to the right in this case.  It's screen res, 100%, processed in Aperture with no additional sharpening added.  You can see it gets a touch softer in the corner itself but it's a very small area of the frame if the image were to go to print.  Nothing that couldn't be reclaimed with some localized sharpening, if that's needed at all.

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« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2009, 05:55:49 PM »
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I don't think anyone is claiming this will rival a rodenstock hr or digital lens, a pancake style view camera, and a P45 or similar.  It is a huge improvement though for dslr based work.

I've attached a corner crop showing the upper right corner of the right hand file that made this image.  12mm shift to the right in this case.  It's screen res, 100%, processed in Aperture with no additional sharpening added.  You can see it gets a touch softer in the corner itself but it's a very small area of the frame if the image were to go to print.  Nothing that couldn't be reclaimed with some localized sharpening, if that's needed at all.
I agree, these lenses are much better as i would have expected, its a huge improvement for 35mm systems.
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« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2009, 08:41:40 PM »
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I was able to get a TS-E 24mm II last week and did a test this weekend:

TS-E 24mm II Blog Post

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