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« on: August 10, 2009, 10:07:37 PM »
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I read with interest the article about the 30 in Eizo.  Has anyone compared this monitor with the NEC 30 monitor which has had some very good reviews, and costs about 1/2 the Eizo?

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2009, 08:46:32 AM »
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I read with interest the article about the 30 in Eizo.  Has anyone compared this monitor with the NEC 30 monitor which has had some very good reviews, and costs about 1/2 the Eizo?

I too would like to know what that huge difference in cost buys you.
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2009, 08:57:52 AM »
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I read with interest the article about the 30 in Eizo.  Has anyone compared this monitor with the NEC 30 monitor which has had some very good reviews, and costs about 1/2 the Eizo?

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Eizo make quality, state-of-the-art monitors, made-for-the-job of producing stable, profiled, standard colour.

Do you need 30?
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2009, 05:00:59 PM »
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I can't vouch for the quality of the Eizos, but no one doubts their essential goodness. I can say that the NEC LCD3090WQXI Ihave used for the last year and a half has bee superb. Excellent color accuracy, uniformity and stability, not to mention 4 year warranty. I calibrate with SpectraView II software and an iOne and print to a Canon 8100, Epson 9800 and LightJet with Fuji Crystal Archive. I'm much happier with this than a 30" Apple Cinema Display I had been using.

I don't doubt and Eizo would make me happy, but so does the extra couple of thousand dollars I have in my pocket with the NEC.
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2009, 02:17:43 AM »
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I read with interest the article about the 30 in Eizo.  Has anyone compared this monitor with the NEC 30 monitor which has had some very good reviews, and costs about 1/2 the Eizo?

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Does Eizo make their own panels?  I have not owned an Eizo, but I dont think they make their own panels.  I think they take panels and make very good monitors using another panel.  
_perhaps the reason for such pricing?

I have used NEC and they are very good monitors.  
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2009, 02:29:39 AM »
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I too would like to know what that huge difference in cost buys you.

...inferior viewing angles and smaller gamut - that's for sure.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2009, 06:51:52 AM »
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...inferior viewing angles and smaller gamut - that's for sure.

Does anyone have a gamut comparison? I can provide a profile off my NEC LCD3090WQXi if someone with an Eizo wants to graph the two.

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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2009, 07:10:07 AM »
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Does anyone have a gamut comparison? I can provide a profile off my NEC LCD3090WQXi if someone with an Eizo wants to graph the two.

Martin

http://www.eizo-downloads.com/downloads/ic...s/CG301WINF.zip

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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2009, 08:43:41 AM »
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...inferior viewing angles and smaller gamut - that's for sure.

Ouch (well at least for viewing angle). The gamut isn't that big a deal. I wouldn't say a larger gamut automatically makes a "better" reference display.

As for if Eizo makes the panels or not, again, I'm not sure that's justification for the price difference either.

Eizo sent me a display many years ago to evaluate for my book. It was very nice. But at the time, I didn't see anything compelling in the price differences between it and at the time, the Artisan and NEC didn't have the modern displays we are discussing so I didn't have a way to compare them. I really think Eizo needs to find a compelling reason for this price differential. I know this photographic segment of their business is pretty small compared to their real expertise in the medial imagining industry.
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Ouch (well at least for viewing angle). The gamut isn't that big a deal. I wouldn't say a larger gamut automatically makes a "better" reference display.

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Unless you are looking at your display from a weird position, or you regularly have a group of people surrounding, looking at your screen, viewing angle is not a concern.
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I am no color expert, but I know to read a graph compared to a Adobe RGB color space and how the display falls in or beyond that color space.  
What does this graph show regarding the gamut?
How do you read it?

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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2009, 11:26:47 AM »
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Unless you are looking at your display from a weird position, or you regularly have a group of people surrounding, looking at your screen, viewing angle is not a concern.
If the screen is 30" large, it may be a concern.

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I am no color expert, but I know to read a graph compared to a Adobe RGB color space and how the display falls in or beyond that color space.  
What does this graph show regarding the gamut?
How do you read it?
It shows that NEC has larger color space volume.

With AdobeRGB it looks like that (AdobeRGB - blue shape):
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[quote name='Czornyj' post='303350' date='Aug 12 2009, 12:26 PM']If the screen is 30" large, it may be a concern.


It shows that NEC has larger color space volume.

With AdobeRGB it looks like that (AdobeRGB - blue shape):
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I use 2 x30" screens dual mode, and I dont get into a position where it would be an issue, but then I strictly use it for editing.

So I see the red mesh(NEC?) extending further out of the solid blue area. This indicating a larger vomue(I take it), and where is the Eizo?

I wonder how my XL30 falls into this? I purchased it knowing it is larger than ADOBE RGB
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2009, 12:24:40 PM »
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I use 2 x30" screens dual mode, and I dont get into a position where it would be an issue, but then I strictly use it for editing.

So I see the red mesh(NEC?) extending further out of the solid blue area. This indicating a larger vomue(I take it), and where is the Eizo?

I wonder how my XL30 falls into this? I purchased it knowing it is larger than ADOBE RGB

Eizo is the colored shape.

In simple words - Eizo and NEC have similar green colorant, but NEC has blue and red colorants, that are more saturated:


XL30 with RGB LED backlight is even larger, there's no ICC profile on Samsung nor LaCie website, so I can't add it to my comparison.

Problem with S-PVA is that it gradually changes the contrast when you change the angle of observation:
gamma test (when the display is gamma 2.2 calibrated, the pattern is neutral grey):
http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/lcd_butcher.png

21" IPS type panel:



21" S-PVA type panel:



As a result - when you edit a picture on a 30" S-PVA, the lateral part of the image may have slightly brighter shadows, than in the center.
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2009, 07:16:37 PM »
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Thanks for all the replies--it looks like NEC is the winner.

Anyone have similar gamut comparisons for the Apple 30 in   vs the NEC

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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2009, 01:45:14 AM »
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Eizo is the colored shape.

In simple words - Eizo and NEC have similar green colorant, but NEC has blue and red colorants, that are more saturated:
Of course - like Andrew noticed - the difference it is negligable

XL30 with RGB LED backlight is even larger, there's no ICC profile on Samsung nor LaCie website, so I can't add it to my comparison.

Problem with S-PVA is that it gradually changes the contrast when you change the angle of observation:
gamma test (when the display is gamma 2.2 calibrated, the pattern is neutral grey):
http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/lcd_butcher.png


As a result - when you edit a picture on a 30" S-PVA, the lateral part of the image may have slightly brighter shadows, than in the center.


I have heard this re SPVA before. I dont think all makers handle SPVA the same, as I know on another LCD screen that is SPVA, what you are saying is very noticable.
In the angles I work, or even extreme angles ( I do shift around a bit), it is there if you look for it..Almost a subtle haze when in the way left or right angle.  When I work with large black backrgounds(very often) I go to the extreme edge of my screen at an angle view, and the screen will  be able to detect a difference in black saturation %. Then I can easily go in a balance things out. Oddly enough it works as a tool for prepress. On my other screens I cannot do this, and can easily be off on the blacks in magazine print.
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2009, 02:06:17 AM »
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If you get any of the EIZO CG, NEC 90s or the Samsung XL you are definitely in good hands. However, between the Eizo and the NEC, the NEC I believe has newer technology in their screens then their counterpart EIZO's

Though I haven't had a chance to work on the EIZO 222 or whatever its called. but work on th CG's and nec 90's every day and they are both a pleasure to use. I prefer the NEC myself. but that is personal, it seems to fit the bill for me

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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2009, 03:29:25 AM »
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I had the same dilemma when I was looking for a new monitor. I looked at the Apple 30", the Eizo and the NEC discussed here. I used the mac monitor at work and I didn't think it had as large a gamut as the other two monitors. I couldn't get the Apple monitor to calibrate accurately (too bright). I found the Eizo and NEC to be so similar in specs and in person (although didn't view side by side) that I chose the latter for price. I ended up with the 26" NEC since it was half the price of the 30" and not that much smaller. (I could buy two 26" if I wanted.)

The NEC has worked flawlessly and the calibration software that came with it is excellent. Screen images match my z3100 prints in all but the most extreme cases where screen shows more than the print.
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2009, 07:35:16 AM »
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I just ordered a refurb NEC LCD2690WUXi, an online seller called Tech for Less in Colorado has over thirty of them for $732. It arrives today, I'll let you know if there's any problems with it. It seems like a great deal for a photo editing monitor.
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2009, 07:38:42 AM »
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interessting!
In how far "refurbished"? Do you happen to know if it has new backlight?
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