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« on: September 25, 2009, 11:49:47 AM »
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New top dog? MFD is far from dead with all this recent activity!

http://www.photographyblog.com/news/hassel...-60_and_h4d-50/

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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2009, 01:09:25 PM »
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New top dog? MFD is far from dead with all this recent activity!

http://www.photographyblog.com/news/hassel...-60_and_h4d-50/

Nice pricing for H4D - 50. Though they didn't talk @ high iso.
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2009, 01:17:49 PM »
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I wonder what the US pricing is going to be?
I also wonder how different Phocus 2.0 is going to be
interesting even though it's not on their site yet
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2009, 01:18:14 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2009, 01:51:27 PM »
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I wonder what the US pricing is going to be?
I also wonder how different Phocus 2.0 is going to be
interesting even though it's not on their site yet
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Phocus 2.0

- User configurable, save-able, and exportable(!) layout presets.  Can be shared amongst peers or used to streamline the interface.
- 'Triggers'.  ie Connect a CF card and the interface will switch to any of your layouts (For example, Import tools etc etc).  Or connect a camera and have the interface switch ot your own predefined layout and setup an adjustment  - ready to go
- Floatable tool Palettes
      - Which includes the Navigator tool, can be resized and used as a Loupe.
- Tethered capture interrupt - ie Shoot tethered and work with images simultaneously

More to come - we are still at our Partner Meeting!
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I wonder what the US pricing is going to be?
 Based on today's conversion it should be $29,000 but I believe it will be close to $24,999. Just my gut feeling based on their past pricing structure. Either way that is camera kit thus it does look good.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 01:58:30 PM »
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New top dog? MFD is far from dead with all this recent activity!

http://www.photographyblog.com/news/hassel...-60_and_h4d-50/

fascinating. I wonder how well this will actually work. is the digital back still exactly the same and is the technology in the body itself?
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2009, 02:17:39 PM »
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Phocus 2.0
- User configurable, save-able, and exportable(!) layout presets.  Can be shared amongst peers or used to streamline the interface.
- Floatable tool Palettes
      - Which includes the Navigator tool, can be resized and used as a Loupe.
- Tethered capture interrupt - ie Shoot tethered and work with images simultaneously

All of which are currently in Capture One 4.8.3 Pro (released and proven rock solid) and able to be used with Phase One, Canon, and Nikon cameras, and at-some-point Leaf.

Sorry David, couldn't resist the "my ____ is bigger than yours" game. To be fair, the H4D looks exciting. If/when it ships I look forward to seeing what you guys are doing with yaw-detection focus-adjustment. My gut feeling is I'd rather control the focus myself than let the camera adjust it for me, but I'm definitely ready to be convinced otherwise.


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- 'Triggers'.  ie Connect a CF card and the interface will switch to any of your layouts (For example, Import tools etc etc).  Or connect a camera and have the interface switch ot your own predefined layout and setup an adjustment  - ready to go

A novel, and very good idea!

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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2009, 02:18:07 PM »
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Does anyone know what it will costs to upgrade from a Hasseblad H3dII 31 to the H4d platflorm?  Does Hasseblad do upgrades?  I guess I would like to know if Hasselbad does software upgrades taking my h3dII to a h4d?  Thanks
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2009, 03:13:43 PM »
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Does anyone know what it will costs to upgrade from a Hasseblad H3dII 31 to the H4d platflorm?  Does Hasseblad do upgrades?  I guess I would like to know if Hasselbad does software upgrades taking my h3dII to a h4d?  Thanks
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Stay tuned: that press release ends with
"H3DII-50 cameras purchased between now and Q1, 2010 will be upgraded to the H4D-50 free of charge. A program is also being announced for owners of H3D-31 and H3D-39 cameras to step up onto the H4D platform."

The new AF system clearly involves new hardware in the H4D body, not just a firmware update: it uses a motion sensor to measure the rotation when you focus and then recompose:
"Hasselblad has used modern yaw rate sensor technology to measure angular velocity in an innovative way. The result is the new Absolute Position Lock (APL) processor, which forms the foundation of Hasselblad’s True Focus feature."

[Added] And some US prices, from http://www.pdngearguide.com/gearguide/cont...d2fdf6fb10a5b52
"The H4D-60 will ship in November for a price of approximately $42,535. ... Delivery of the H4D-50 will begin in early 2010 for a price of $29,332."
Looks like a straight currency conversion from the Euro prices.


P. S. Where is Jonathan Weinke? This is an attempt to address a problem with "focus and recompose" that JW has often discussed and documented. My guess is that the will vote for multi-point AF despite Paulsen's put-down.
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2009, 03:40:19 PM »
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a new model for only a better AF ?
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2009, 03:44:06 PM »
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Short YouTube video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFkKMmF8X9A
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2009, 03:51:26 PM »
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Phocus 2.0

- User configurable, save-able, and exportable(!) layout presets.  Can be shared amongst peers or used to streamline the interface.
- 'Triggers'.  ie Connect a CF card and the interface will switch to any of your layouts (For example, Import tools etc etc).  Or connect a camera and have the interface switch ot your own predefined layout and setup an adjustment  - ready to go
- Floatable tool Palettes
      - Which includes the Navigator tool, can be resized and used as a Loupe.
- Tethered capture interrupt - ie Shoot tethered and work with images simultaneously

More to come - we are still at our Partner Meeting!

hi david, so does the focus off center, then recompose actually makes up for the differences in the focus plane? how does it do that?

still, when shooting on tripod, doing a difficult composite for example, you really cant be turning the camera every few shots. even thought the canons multipoint focus points don't quite go wide enough for all shots, most of the time there is a focus point exactly where you need it. so you lock down, and shoot all day in one direction. and even if you have a subject away from a focus point, its really extremely quick to click into live view at 10x and check that way, then take a shot - almost instantly from live view.

i dont have a hassy back, just a aptus on a h1, and i really love my camera. but to be honest, the last dozen shoots ive really wanted to use medium format, but on the day its just been too tough, and ive just finished the shoot with the canon.
its been like ive needed to take my hassy kit to shoots so the clients take me seriously, but when i shoot some shots with the canon and they see that file popping up on a 30" screen, they are completely happy with the canon. if they need larger file sizes, a can shoot a top plate, left and right in less time than my aptus can take a single shot, then i have a monster file, far in excess of 60mp.
im not trying to hassy bash, i just really want some big improvements so i get excited about having medium format again. more megapixels and a slight af adjustment isn't really cutting it.
if its really that hard to add more higher tech, usefull improvements to the H, at least add a vertical grip and a better color scheme (ie, black).

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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2009, 04:01:26 PM »
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All of which are currently in Capture One 4.8.3 Pro (released and proven rock solid) and able to be used with Phase One, Canon, and Nikon cameras, and at-some-point Leaf.

Sorry David, couldn't resist the "my ____ is bigger than yours" game. To be fair, the H4D looks exciting. If/when it ships I look forward to seeing what you guys are doing with yaw-detection focus-adjustment. My gut feeling is I'd rather control the focus myself than let the camera adjust it for me, but I'm definitely ready to be convinced otherwise.


  Any chance of Sony A900 tethered integration in the near future?
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2009, 04:02:12 PM »
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All of which are currently in Capture One 4.8.3 Pro (released and proven rock solid) and able to be used with Phase One, Canon, and Nikon cameras, and at-some-point Leaf.

Sorry David, couldn't resist the "my ____ is bigger than yours" game. To be fair, the H4D looks exciting. If/when it ships I look forward to seeing what you guys are doing with yaw-detection focus-adjustment. My gut feeling is I'd rather control the focus myself than let the camera adjust it for me, but I'm definitely ready to be convinced otherwise.




A novel, and very good idea!

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Doug,

Sorry to jump in here to,

Phocus,don't have all those nice things of C1, but, have customer support is the best (to me)

 is much better then all those nice things.  I say it for experience.

Phocus is free.



I pay $500.00 for C1 pro( I don't know the cost now)


I used to have p25 and p45+.  So I'm still using C1

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if its really that hard to add more higher tech, usefull improvements to the H, at least add a vertical grip and a better color scheme (ie, black).

David Grover's always here to pump the new announcements, but I wonder if you'll get a professional answer to this question above?

Let's watch and see...
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2009, 07:00:01 PM »
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Quote from: Kim Bentsen
New top dog? MFD is far from dead with all this recent activity!

http://www.photographyblog.com/news/hassel...-60_and_h4d-50/
Sounds like Hocus Phocus to me ... " ...Such multi-point AF solutions are often tedious and inflexible to work with, however, and do not really solve the problem, claims Poulsen."  - what's this guy been smoking?  He should go pick up a Canon or Nikon and see what AF is all about.  

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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2009, 09:11:33 PM »
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Poulsen is so full of (sh)it. That's probably why he's managing Hasselblad so wobbly. Give him a spine.

Instead of communicating a strategy/goal and sticking to it you get all those contradicting statements from Hasselblad.

One day they declare that Hassy is only announcing products that are ready to ship. Next you notice is how they pre-announce the H3DII-60 vaporware OVER A YEAR ahead of time.

Suddenly they declare the end of MFDB upgrade programs - because pricing is so much more affordable - and now we have again upgrade programs.

Pricing is more affordable? My ass. Over 40 k$ for the same ol' crappy unergonomic H1 design with more pixels and a bigger screen

One day the H3D 39 is full frame. Next day it's the first 48mm full frame dslr. Suddenly the PhaseOne P65+ sensor is not full frame and the H4D-60 will only have 94% full-frame 645 coverage Poulsen tells at Photokina.

Why doesn't the press release talk about live-view? Because it will not be available or because they don't want to get H3DII-50 owners mad?


Just for the record: Canon and Nikon Fullframe multipoint focus works GREAT. Hasselblad and Mamiya 645 are not even close. And this press release is proving that Hasselblad left photographers out in the dark knowing there's a real problem with off-center focusing since H1, H2, H3.

What's next? Is Hassy going to admit that one color profile can NOT reproduce good color in every imaginable lighting situation? I wonder how anybody could think that one canned profile could cover candle, sky, shadow, sunset, dawn, neon, tungsten, flash and most importantly MIXED light when the emitted light has different spikes in different ranges of wavelengths and the sensors spectral response is clearly and measurably reacting different to different light sources. Why does everybody else care about calibration and profiling? Is everyone but Hassy nuts?

It feels like Hasselblad will look at the market, check-out what everybody else does and then do the opposite followed by trash-talking competition and perfectly working technology.
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2009, 11:44:17 PM »
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Perhaps a little out there, but generally I have to agree. WTF!! You have got to be kidding, this sounds like the most complicated way possible to solve the problem photographers have been bitching about since day one, single point AF!!

I have a H1, but will think long and hard about any upgrade, which I was looking at in the next 12mths. A very odd direction to go indeed, I am sure the dollars on R&D for this rather convoluted solution could have gotten three widely spaced AF sensors?Huh

Just plain bemused.   ;-)

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Poulsen is so full of (sh)it. That's probably why he's managing Hasselblad so wobbly. Give him a spine.

Instead of communicating a strategy/goal and sticking to it you get all those contradicting statements from Hasselblad.

One day they declare that Hassy is only announcing products that are ready to ship. Next you notice is how they pre-announce the H3DII-60 vaporware OVER A YEAR ahead of time.

Suddenly they declare the end of MFDB upgrade programs - because pricing is so much more affordable - and now we have again upgrade programs.

Pricing is more affordable? My ass. Over 40 k$ for the same ol' crappy unergonomic H1 design with more pixels and a bigger screen

One day the H3D 39 is full frame. Next day it's the first 48mm full frame dslr. Suddenly the PhaseOne P65+ sensor is not full frame and the H4D-60 will only have 94% full-frame 645 coverage Poulsen tells at Photokina.

Why doesn't the press release talk about live-view? Because it will not be available or because they don't want to get H3DII-50 owners mad?


Just for the record: Canon and Nikon Fullframe multipoint focus works GREAT. Hasselblad and Mamiya 645 are not even close. And this press release is proving that Hasselblad left photographers out in the dark knowing there's a real problem with off-center focusing since H1, H2, H3.

What's next? Is Hassy going to admit that one color profile can NOT reproduce good color in every imaginable lighting situation? I wonder how anybody could think that one canned profile could cover candle, sky, shadow, sunset, dawn, neon, tungsten, flash and most importantly MIXED light when the emitted light has different spikes in different ranges of wavelengths and the sensors spectral response is clearly and measurably reacting different to different light sources. Why does everybody else care about calibration and profiling? Is everyone but Hassy nuts?

It feels like Hasselblad will look at the market, check-out what everybody else does and then do the opposite followed by trash-talking competition and perfectly working technology.
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2009, 11:57:10 PM »
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Sounds interesting and certainly I'm curious to see if it works in practice.  I could see how it might be faster than trying to dial in the right focus point in the DSLR.
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