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« on: October 10, 2009, 11:20:45 AM »
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Hi,
I've been using the colorchecker passport since a week and really like it.
However I would like to also use the profiles in Leaf Capture and Capture one, but because the software creates DCP profiles it won't run them in my software (expect photoshop ofcourse).

I've seen a command prompt convertor for the profiles but does anyone here knows if there is a normal program that can do the conversion ?
Preferable on mac

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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2009, 12:41:36 PM »
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Hi,
I've been using the colorchecker passport since a week and really like it.
However I would like to also use the profiles in Leaf Capture and Capture one, but because the software creates DCP profiles it won't run them in my software (expect photoshop ofcourse).

Passport also builds ICC profiles, I figured both products above support that format. Not that you’ll necessarily get the same results due to the differences in DNG versus ICC input profiles.
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2009, 03:43:10 PM »
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Passport also builds ICC profiles, I figured both products above support that format. Not that you’ll necessarily get the same results due to the differences in DNG versus ICC input profiles.
How can you make it build ICC profiles ?
I can't find an option for that in the program.
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2009, 04:54:01 PM »
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How can you make it build ICC profiles ?
I can't find an option for that in the program.

In the stand alone app, third option on the top right (ICC)
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2009, 05:00:42 PM »
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Will check that tommorow I really did not see it.
I'm using a mac and the standalone version.
Will report back tomorrow.
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2009, 10:33:06 PM »
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In the stand alone app, third option on the top right (ICC)
I think that you are talking about some other x-rite application(s)... Passport can create only Adobe "DNG" profiles.



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The ColorChecker Passport Desktop Application allows independent creation of
DNG profiles....X-Rite has other applications that can be used to make custom ICC profiles....X-Rite has other tools
to make ICC profiles for use with these applications....ColorChecker Passport’s Desktop Application
can build DNG profiles for single and dual-illuminants.
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2009, 12:34:34 AM »
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That's what I read. But on the xrite site I can't find those tools.
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2009, 01:10:41 AM »
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But on the xrite site I can't find those tools.

those (to create ICC/ICM profiles) are not free - monaco profiler or profilemaker 5 for example
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2009, 04:24:41 AM »
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those (to create ICC/ICM profiles) are not free - monaco profiler or profilemaker 5 for example
I don't really care about free or paid.
Nothing in live is really free
As long as it works, will dive into that.
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2009, 06:44:08 AM »
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I don't really care about free or paid.
Nothing in live is really free
As long as it works, will dive into that.

PM and MP won't make ICC profiles from DNG/RAW files, they don't work in the way Passport or DNG Profile Editor does. You can only create ICC profile from a tiff/jpeg file, that alredy has been rendered to some color space with some camera profile, and as such can't be used in C1 like dcp profiles in ACR/LR. It's a pity that only Andrew's Passport has that mysterious ICC option...
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2009, 09:30:30 AM »
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Would make a great product perfect.
Only problem now is that I like the raw conversion from leaf capture or capture one more.
On the other hand maybe the could make capture one accept the dcp profiles.
Will drop them a mail.
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2009, 10:33:32 AM »
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I think that you are talking about some other x-rite application(s)... Passport can create only Adobe "DNG" profiles.

Well my copy does but its possible it was removed from the final product...

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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2009, 10:43:07 AM »
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PM and MP won't make ICC profiles from DNG/RAW files, they don't work in the way Passport or DNG Profile Editor does. You can only create ICC profile from a tiff/jpeg file, that alredy has been rendered to some color space with some camera profile, and as such can't be used in C1 like dcp profiles in ACR/LR. It's a pity that only Andrew's Passport has that mysterious ICC option...

Not really a pity (and I’ve asked X-Rite but I suspect only my “special” version had ICC functionality). I still think that except for rare conditions, its a waste to try to build output referred ICC Profiles for digital cameras due in part to what you point out, you’ve got to feed it an output referred, rendered TIFF or JPEG in a fixed color space. DNG profiles are not at all the same. Better would be to ask the C1 engineers among other Raw converters to support DNG profiles in the processing chain (meaning DNG support as well). We’d all be better for it.
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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2009, 10:50:29 AM »
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We would but for the time being it would be great to use the profiles everywhere.
For example leaf capture has great moire removing options.
But there are always workarrounds I guess.

Let's hope that the new c1 supports the profiles.
The confusing thing is that xrite on their promos use capture one as an example.

Anyhow love the product a lot.
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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2009, 12:11:51 PM »
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Well if it was in the Beta software, one cannot rule out it's later appearance.

I don't have one yet but will shortly.

I asked exactly this question upon it's release, about the notions of Profiles, and ICC profiles. Something seems unclear in the naming and function. I am glad Andrew showed the existence, that leaves us to believe that it is doable.

I also agree , and support DNG for camera makers from the get go. Time is going by and I wish we could all get on with a standard format.
Since my workflow has changed over to mostly LR, DNG makes sense, but only if everyone makes it happen.
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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2009, 04:45:54 PM »
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I also agree , and support DNG for camera makers from the get go. Time is going by and I wish we could all get on with a standard format.
Since my workflow has changed over to mostly LR, DNG makes sense, but only if everyone makes it happen.

I also wish it became a standard, it would make life so much easier. Problem is, that most manufacturers seem to be rather uninterested, if not even opposite...
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2009, 08:39:44 PM »
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Well my copy does but its possible it was removed from the final product...

do mind to share your copy (upload it to rapidshare.com for example) ? if it was and still is a free product then it should not be a problem ? I 'd be interested to see how ICC profiles work... thx
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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2009, 09:01:32 PM »
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PM and MP won't make ICC profiles from DNG/RAW files, they don't work in the way Passport or DNG Profile Editor does. You can only create ICC profile from a tiff/jpeg file, that alredy has been rendered to some color space with some camera profile, and as such can't be used in C1 like dcp profiles in ACR/LR. It's a pity that only Andrew's Passport has that mysterious ICC option...

when you use C1 itself to prepare for example .tiff from raw shot for icc/icm profile (that will be used w/ C1) generation using whatever software you have - you should use 1) ICC profile = "Phase One no color correction" 2) curve = "film standard"




 3) output ICC profile = "embed camera profile"



so there are _NO_ issues as profile is specific to the camera and it works as it should of course.

PS: edited - I missed the "_NO_" part in the line above initially
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2009, 02:33:37 AM »
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so there are issues as profile is specific to the camera and it works as it should of course.

No, it won't work. Even if you'll shoot a target, then render that image to the color space of C1 camera profile, and use it to make profile in PM or MP, you'll get an icc profile, that will only work when you'll assign it to an image, that was rendered to that specifc C1 camera profile. You cannot simply use it as camera profile in C1, you can only use it to correct the alredy rendered image.
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2009, 06:34:47 AM »
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No, it won't work. Even if you'll shoot a target, then render that image to the color space of C1 camera profile, and use it to make profile in PM or MP, you'll get an icc profile, that will only work when you'll assign it to an image, that was rendered to that specifc C1 camera profile. You cannot simply use it as camera profile in C1, you can only use it to correct the alredy rendered image.
of course it works.
You shoot the target, set C1, as "deja" explained, to "no color correction" (I'd prefer the "linear" film curve but that's up to you) and create a TIF that you load into the profile software. The software creates the new profile.
Now the created ICC profile can be assigned as input (camera) profile in C1 all the time (whether it works good or not so good depends on a lot of things, but that's a different story). You can even use it as camera profile for another camera (what, obviously, doesn't make sense).
If you can't access the profile in C1 you've stored it either in the wrong directory or the profile's table tag "sncr" isn't set propperly. But if so, you can use it in C1.
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