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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2009, 10:47:03 AM »
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Not a bad idea to make all available in the end.  But I'd rather not do that in the beginning, because everyone will cherry pick the same few best images.

Let's do 2 rounds:

Round 1 - everyone is assigned 3 files, returned, aggregated and posted and we have a good discussion on it.
Round 2 - once round 1 complete - I'll provide links for all the raw files to everyone, and then we can have a free for all on all the images.


To save those that have issues with FTP the problems - I built a browser based uploader.  I'll be sending out the individual links today.
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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2009, 10:57:42 AM »
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Not a bad idea to make all available in the end.  But I'd rather not do that in the beginning, because everyone will cherry pick the same few best images.

Let's do 2 rounds:

Round 1 - everyone is assigned 3 files, returned, aggregated and posted and we have a good discussion on it.
Round 2 - once round 1 complete - I'll provide links for all the raw files to everyone, and then we can have a free for all on all the images.


To save those that have issues with FTP the problems - I built a browser based uploader.  I'll be sending out the individual links today.


so how many raw files should I upload now in round 1?
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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2009, 11:05:29 AM »
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Everyone should have their upload links now.  Please begin to upload your 3 files.

Everyone go ahead and upload 3 files - we'll keep this open until the middle of next week.
Everyone will then be given a link for 3 files to download and process themselves - everyone will have a week or so to process the images and then resubmit them through the upload link.

We will present the results at the end of that period, and the the links for all the files will be presented to everyone.

Let's give this a whirl!
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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2009, 11:52:56 AM »
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Everyone should have their upload links now.  Please begin to upload your 3 files.

Everyone go ahead and upload 3 files - we'll keep this open until the middle of next week.
Everyone will then be given a link for 3 files to download and process themselves - everyone will have a week or so to process the images and then resubmit them through the upload link.

We will present the results at the end of that period, and the the links for all the files will be presented to everyone.

Let's give this a whirl!

Hello Wolfe,

I have just tried to upload a file. Did not work. I pressed "send" it started to work but the progress bar did not move an inch. Have to catch a plane, try it again on Sunday

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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2009, 12:31:45 PM »
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Hi all,

I'm not particularly sure what files people would like to process, so what I've done is uploaded a load from which I'll let you select 3.  For me it's a fine balance between not putting in the public domain anything that I'm proud enough of to want to use in some way, while also not giving you lot utter rubbish to work from.  I've split the shots into 2 groups - those which I'm prepared to relinquish all rights to, and those which I'll upload as long as everyone accepts that the usage is restricted to this competition only.  I've also included a few notes where necessary.

Simply shout out if you've any preference from the shots below, and I'll bear those in mind when uploading in a few days' time.  All shots as they came from the camera - no PP whatsoever on these - I feel a little naked showing you unfinished results to be honest!!!

[Edit]Ignore this - I've uploaded now
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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2009, 12:35:07 PM »
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[Edit] - Ignore this - I've uploaded.
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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2009, 12:58:30 PM »
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awolfe, just to clarify - in round 1, we upload 3 images our own?  Or just one?  If 3, then how many other people will be working on each one?  Sorry, it's not yet clear to me...

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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2009, 01:30:11 PM »
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awolfe, just to clarify - in round 1, we upload 3 images our own?  Or just one?  If 3, then how many other people will be working on each one?  Sorry, it's not yet clear to me...

Lisa

I'm confused too. If everyone uploads three files and everyone processes three files and they are selected by chance, then as far as I can count every raw file is processed only once. Or some not at all if it is random without removing the chosen ones from the pool. However if we upload one each and process three than we get a lot of variety.

I don't have a problem uploading three, just don't see the sense if we only edit three.
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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2009, 03:24:50 PM »
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I'm confused too. If everyone uploads three files and everyone processes three files and they are selected by chance, then as far as I can count every raw file is processed only once. Or some not at all if it is random without removing the chosen ones from the pool. However if we upload one each and process three than we get a lot of variety.

I don't have a problem uploading three, just don't see the sense if we only edit three.

I'm now not sure what the original plan was, but like you I originally thought it was upload one, and process multiple ones (2, 3, or whatever), so everyone can see how *several* other people would process their one.

I think we need some clarification...

Thanks,
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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2009, 03:39:14 PM »
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You're all of course right - was answering on the fly in between meetings.

Upload 1 raw file per person, that image will get distributed to 3 different people for 3 different takes on the development.

Brammers - that's exactly the idea.  We all understand that raw files straight from the camera are going to look very bad.

Sigi - yes - please try again.  There is no status bar, so you just upload and let it sit for several minutes until it is done.
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« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2009, 06:57:12 PM »
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OK, i think I'm ready to upload. I picked a bunch of images that seemed to me to have "problems", so they would provide a challenge to pull a nice image out of them. Narrowing them down wasn't easy. I think I know which one I'll upload.

But: I see that the original 'specs' indicated that I should include my own best processing effort. So I'll upload the raw (Canon .cr2 file from a Canon 5D) file this evening and the processed version later on.

Good luck everybody!

Eric

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« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2009, 07:55:13 PM »
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Right, 1 image then, I was also under the impression it was 3.

In that case if people would care to make a little vote on any image from the ones I've posted above that they feel particularly strongly about, I'll get something up before the end of the week.

Cheers!
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« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2009, 09:47:44 PM »
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Thanks for the clarification!  It all makes sense now.  

I've uploaded mine.  I had some problems at first - about thirty seconds after hitting the "Send" button, I would get the standard IE "cannot connect to the webpage" error message.  Similar problem with Firefox on the same PC.  But when I tried it on another PC running linux (using Firefox), it worked fine.  I would guess that the Windows PC I was originally using had some security settings that were interfering with the uploading.  I mention this in case someone else has a similar problem...

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« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2009, 10:48:14 PM »
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Should one upload the own rendering together with the raw? What image size?
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« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2009, 08:33:50 PM »
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Should one upload the own rendering together with the raw? What image size?
Good question. I have just uploaded two renderings of my own raw file, one in color and one converted to B&W, which is my preference for this image. I made them both 6.67x10" at 360 dpi as jpegs. Perhaps they should be more like 800 px or so in the long direction, suitable for web posting. Suggestions cordially invited, and I'll upload replacements if a consensus is reached.

Eric


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« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2009, 09:39:28 PM »
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Good question. I have just uploaded two renderings of my own raw file, one in color and one converted to B&W, which is my preference for this image. I made them both 6.67x10" at 360 dpi as jpegs. Perhaps they should be more like 800 px or so in the long direction, suitable for web posting
I suggest to stick to image sizes for the monitor, but we need to agree on the size. I don't think printing size is useful, because (I guess) every one of us will want to see all images and different renderings.

And what about the size of rendered image by the "candidates"? The same consideration?

Of course, one could say anyone can downsize a larger image, but if the topic is fine rendering, then that should not occur, because the sharpening depends on the size.
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« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2009, 11:15:25 PM »
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I suggest to stick to image sizes for the monitor, but we need to agree on the size. I don't think printing size is useful, because (I guess) every one of us will want to see all images and different renderings.

And what about the size of rendered image by the "candidates"? The same consideration?

Of course, one could say anyone can downsize a larger image, but if the topic is fine rendering, then that should not occur, because the sharpening depends on the size.

Agreed. My main monitor is 1920x1200 pixels. I suggest we choose a size that will fit on the smallest of our main monitors, so if, for example, someone has one that does 1600x1200 and everyone has one at least that big, then we use 1200 as max height and 1600 as max width for every image. Then the pix would all be as big as possible on screen without anyone needing to scroll.


Does that make sense? If so, then what is the native resolution of everyone's monitor?

Eric

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« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2009, 12:00:47 AM »
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My monitor has the same size. Hpwever, when someone loads the images in an internet browser, the max. size will be less than the monitor size even in "full screen mode", at least with MSIE, and if the image is only one pixel larger, then scroll bar will be added, which makes the available space even smaller.
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« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2009, 07:10:49 AM »
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1920x1200 here too.

Why the concern about the photo size?  My 40D native resolution is 2592x3888 so in the end to get to say my screen size I'd have to end up with approx. 1/4 the pixels.  I would be fine with submitting the photos for critical review at whichever resolution and zoom in/out using PS, and then make a smaller jpeg version for submission into this thread for easier viewing by the public.

Apologies if I am missing something - my morning coffee is just being brewed up now  

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« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2009, 07:23:57 AM »
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Why a browser?  My processed images aren't SRGB anyway.  Go full res and "save as" and view in whatever viewer you want.
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