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chrisg77
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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2009, 12:55:54 PM »
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Thanks Frank.  I believe it was Martin at the Photo Expo. I'm sure there is no one better for specifics.

They had a sign up form at the show to receive info, but I haven't seen anything yet. I resorted to taking a pocket camera picture of one page from the complete price list they had on hand.

One can't purchase direct, no? So I'm still interested in user purchase experience from within the US.

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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2009, 01:16:35 PM »
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Thanks Frank.  I believe it was Martin at the Photo Expo. I'm sure there is no one better for specifics.

They had a sign up form at the show to receive info, but I haven't seen anything yet. I resorted to taking a pocket camera picture of one page from the complete price list they had on hand.

One can't purchase direct, no? So I'm still interested in user purchase experience from within the US.


I checked with Diane, the Arca Rep, and you can email her for pricing as well as dealer info.  From personal experience, Rod at Photomark really knows his Arca.

Diane Graham Henry <arcaswiss@aol.com>
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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2009, 01:47:39 PM »
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One can't purchase direct, no? So I'm still interested in user purchase experience from within the US.

I have no idea how dealers are set up in the US, but I did of course order my whole camera and lenses directly from Martin.

If you want both, improve your german language skills and have a look at german Arca Swiss prizes, you might want to check out this shop.

Ah, the site is also in english... easy...

But anyway, they told me that they were not convinced by the M-Line Two, which would be the reason why you cannot find the camera on their website.
Again the only thing I can recommend is to talk to Martin.

Frank
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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2009, 11:59:26 AM »
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Christopher,

I saw your other thread comparing the D3 and P65+ both shot on the M-Line 2 with the Rodenstock 70mm HR, very interesting. Can you tell me a little more about using the D3/M-Line 2 with the 70mm HR? Based on my reading of the specs there's just barely enough clearance for this combo to work, so I'm wondering if there are any limitations on the range of movements you can use with this setup. Can you use the full tilt and shift capabilities of the M-Line 2 with that lens and a DSLR?

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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2009, 04:30:08 PM »
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Christopher,

I saw your other thread comparing the D3 and P65+ both shot on the M-Line 2 with the Rodenstock 70mm HR, very interesting. Can you tell me a little more about using the D3/M-Line 2 with the 70mm HR? Based on my reading of the specs there's just barely enough clearance for this combo to work, so I'm wondering if there are any limitations on the range of movements you can use with this setup. Can you use the full tilt and shift capabilities of the M-Line 2 with that lens and a DSLR?

Thanks,

Jeff


Hey Jeff,

Yep, you're right there is just barely clearance.  Not much movement with the 70 HR.  The 90 HR, of course, offers much more flexibility.  To be truthful, given the limited functional lens range, I can't imagine the dslr package is going to fly off the shelves.

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« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2009, 06:31:29 PM »
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Thanks for the info Chris. It sounds like the Schneider Digitar 72mm XL might be a better option to consider. Its image circle isn't quite as big, but it has an extra 10mm or so of rear clearance.  The Schneider 72mm's image circle covers 62 degree FOV, so with stitching I could actually cover most of the range from about 37mm to 70mm (35mm equivalent), which would be a pretty good chunk of my landscape work.  Of course stitching isn't always practical.

I agree this is very much a niche product for DSLR users. If Arca-Swiss can adapt some MF lenses that might help. But even if they don't I'm considering the system because it would be a 'bridge' camera for me, allowing me to start using a view camera for at least some of my work now, and eventually getting a digital back that would take full advantage of it.
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« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2009, 08:26:57 PM »
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John,

This might interest you as well.
SK Grimes Nikon --> Arca Adapter

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« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2009, 09:46:29 PM »
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The new Arca camera looks interesting.

Perhaps I should sell my Arca 8x10, 4x5, and 6x9, pay a bit, and get this new camera (which looks like it can still shoot 6x9 film?).
I totally agree that to be really usable live view on the back is necessary- either that or a tethering solution for an ipod touch or an iPad when it comes out.  I can live with a rough idea of the composition - but the live view on the 5d2 has taught me something: you need that live view accuracy of focus.

So if you want to buy one - you call up the rep in Chicago or Martin correct?  Web sites for companies are so.... uh.....err....... uh...... OK I don't get it.  Why don't they have the most basic web site?  Is it too complex or is there some sort of cache to not having any info available?   Oh well, just thought I'd raise that odd thing about Arca.

Let us know of your tests from the 70mm hr on the Phase back and the d3 camera Chris: it would be interesting to hear.
 
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« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2009, 05:17:41 AM »
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The the two reps at the photo expo booth explained to me that they sell  a lens plate for Hasselblad lenses. Did I misunderstand what they were telling me?
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« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2009, 06:21:25 AM »
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This might interest you as well.
SK Grimes Nikon --> Arca Adapter
Looks interesting, although as a custom one-off it may not be any more cost effective than getting the M-Line 2. One thing that really appeals to me about the M-Line 2 is that it's considerably lighter and more compact than any other camera of this type that I've seen.

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« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2009, 06:24:56 AM »
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The the two reps at the photo expo booth explained to me that they sell  a lens plate for Hasselblad lenses. Did I misunderstand what they were telling me?
When I was exchanging emails with Martin a couple of months ago about lens options/compatiblity, he mentioned that they were prototyping MF lens adapters. Originally they were looking at Mamiya 645, but only the older Pro-TL manual-focus lenses could be adapted and I was doubtful they were really sharp enough for a high-density DSLR sensor. I mentioned Hasselblad V lenses, since they're reputed to be quite sharp (the downside being they're also very expensive and big/heavy due to having leaf shutters). I never heard back what they decided to offer but if they now have Hassy adapters available that's good news. That can get you as wide as 40mm rectilnear.
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« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2009, 06:58:14 PM »
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When I was exchanging emails with Martin a couple of months ago about lens options/compatiblity, he mentioned that they were prototyping MF lens adapters. Originally they were looking at Mamiya 645, but only the older Pro-TL manual-focus lenses could be adapted and I was doubtful they were really sharp enough for a high-density DSLR sensor. I mentioned Hasselblad V lenses, since they're reputed to be quite sharp (the downside being they're also very expensive and big/heavy due to having leaf shutters). I never heard back what they decided to offer but if they now have Hassy adapters available that's good news. That can get you as wide as 40mm rectilnear.

You know, I could of sworn that they used to make a lensboard with a bayonet on the front to take 'Blad V lenses... hmm.  Can you imagine a view camera with a zoom lens!

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« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2009, 11:56:13 AM »
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You know, I could of sworn that they used to make a lensboard with a bayonet on the front to take 'Blad V lenses... hmm.  Can you imagine a view camera with a zoom lens!

SWEEET!
That would be pretty neat. Were zoom lenses common in the older mounts? I know I've seen some for the 'H' series, but in browsing at B&H and KEH I haven't seen zooms for the older cameras.
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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2009, 09:23:46 AM »
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When I was exchanging emails with Martin a couple of months ago about lens options/compatiblity, he mentioned that they were prototyping MF lens adapters. Originally they were looking at Mamiya 645, but only the older Pro-TL manual-focus lenses could be adapted and I was doubtful they were really sharp enough for a high-density DSLR sensor. I mentioned Hasselblad V lenses, since they're reputed to be quite sharp (the downside being they're also very expensive and big/heavy due to having leaf shutters). I never heard back what they decided to offer but if they now have Hassy adapters available that's good news. That can get you as wide as 40mm rectilnear.

Silvestri have one...

The Silvestri #1150 Hasselblad Lens Actuator is a device which allows Hasselblad's 80mm, 120mm, and 150mm V-series lenses to work with the #1119 lensboard for the Bicam II camera.
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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2009, 09:42:36 AM »
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Silvestri has 2 different actuators i think, one longer than the other.
I have one for the Flexicam, you'll find some pictures on the old flexicam thread.
V- lenses are very nice on the view cam, , but the Digitar (and Rodenstocks) are even better;-)))


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« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2009, 12:34:08 PM »
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Silvestri have one...

The Silvestri #1150 Hasselblad Lens Actuator is a device which allows Hasselblad's 80mm, 120mm, and 150mm V-series lenses to work with the #1119 lensboard for the Bicam II camera.
80mm is of no interest though, it's lenses in the 40-50mm range that would be useful. I'm not entirely familiar with the full Hassy lineup, so when I said V-Series I may have misspoke. It's actually the 40mm and 50mm CF/CFe lenses that I was discussing with Arca-Swiss.
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« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2009, 02:10:56 PM »
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80mm is of no interest though, it's lenses in the 40-50mm range that would be useful. I'm not entirely familiar with the full Hassy lineup, so when I said V-Series I may have misspoke. It's actually the 40mm and 50mm CF/CFe lenses that I was discussing with Arca-Swiss.


I have the 50 CFe, and iv'e tried the 40 CFi IF... you can use this kind of lens with a zoerk or a mirex... i've find that the 40 have the worst distorsion, i've never seen !

The 50 is quite a good lens, less distortion than the 60Cf, and sharp all the way (floating element).

I'm using the 50 on a 503cw with my aptus with great results.
For the Canon, i've found an Olympus 35 PC, not so bad at F11.
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« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2009, 03:06:20 PM »
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I have the 50 CFe, and iv'e tried the 40 CFi IF... you can use this kind of lens with a zoerk or a mirex... i've find that the 40 have the worst distorsion, i've never seen !

The 50 is quite a good lens, less distortion than the 60Cf, and sharp all the way (floating element).

I'm using the 50 on a 503cw with my aptus with great results.
For the Canon, i've found an Olympus 35 PC, not so bad at F11.
Thanks for the feedback on those lenses. I haven't been able to find much info about them on the web. Sounds like the 50mm may be the better choice.
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« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2009, 07:41:07 PM »
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I am using the 50mm hassi  lens on a cambo ultima 35 (a poor mans Arca Swiss M line two) with a canon 1ds mark III on the back, so far it is my favorite lens for this set up. With stiching I am getting a nice large file with a wide FOV. THe hassi 80 is also very good,  I was working with the 40 CF (floating element) but was having a hard time getting edge to edge sharpness at anything but F22, and 22 is not really a great fstop to be working with on that lens, found it a bit soft. I am also working with the schneider 28 digitar (special for this camera, looks like an enlarging lens) it seems to have quite a bit of distortion at the edges. I am planing to get the M line two since it seems to be much more precise and lighter than the cambo,  I also like the pin registration system for attaching the dslr body to the rear standard.
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« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2009, 10:41:16 PM »
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I am using the 50mm hassi lens on a cambo ultima 35 (a poor mans Arca Swiss M line two) with a canon 1ds mark III on the back,
Interesting Michael, it's good to hear from somebody who has used these lenses in the manner I'm considering. Doesn't the Ultima 35 have the same list price as the M-Line 2? I did look into the Ultima 35 until I saw that the bare camera weighed 11lbs, not something I want to be hauling around in the field.

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so far it is my favorite lens for this set up. With stiching I am getting a nice large file with a wide FOV.
How much shift can you get with this setup? Also, are you using the 50 f/4 CF or CFi? Does this lens use screw-on filters?

My understanding is that the 28mm Digitar is actually the same basic lens design as the 28mm PC Super-Angulon. I've used that lens on my Nikons and it's far from excellent, especially once you shift. It's most definitely not worth $2K, I think I would still use my 24mm PC-E for wider shots.
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