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« Reply #80 on: November 18, 2009, 12:28:08 PM »
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!  haven't laughed this hard since Sarah Palin saw Kamchatka...

- N.

Mr. N.,

Thanks you for the kind response, though this Sarah Palin, is she a artist of panties also, maybe a panty model?

As the luck would have come about, I sell my beautiful Esses Of Two Leica.  My best friend Zippitone, the concierge at the Delano help me sell it to Madonna's new boyfriend and I got the tops of the dollar.

Without fortune, the Esses Of Two 70 milli lens, accidentally fall out of my Key Biscayne Condo during a new panty shoot.  The focus behind the panties was just too much hard for me so I throw, I mean, with accident drop the lens off the balcony.

So my Leica experience with life comes to an end.  I now have the 5's of D Canon and the panties are always in focus so my life is very good right now, except the owner of the Monte Carlo by Chevrolet car that the lens land on is asking my immigration law firm about reparations of the hood of the car, which seems very unfair as it was a new lens and a very old car.

I may have to move back to Malta but the good of the experience is I now have the camera most professional photographs prefer the most.

Maxin


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« Reply #81 on: November 18, 2009, 12:57:30 PM »
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"The problem with the price is that the sensor costs almost nothing in that size (sub $1K, it's size, not MP which counts) and the rest of the camera is just an oversized R9"

And the D3x is just an oversized D60 then? When you handle the S2 you instantly notice that material and fit&finish are quite different from regular professional DSLRs, the much larger and brighter optical viewfinder system itself most have cost a fortune. By the way, the KAF-50100 costs 3500$ if you order it in large numbers. The KAF-37500 is a Leica-specific design and therefore not cheap, either.

Of course large production numbers make it easier to spread R&D-efforts but you'll also have to pay for extremely expensive structures within these global-players. There is a reason why many highly specialized markets are ruled by small specialists - not gigantic global players.

I won't comment on any wild high-ISO-speculations until the first real shots are out with final firmware.

@lisa_r
There is no fringing or any other optical defect visible in the focused area - everything else is bokeh, although it doesn't look nice in this particular example.
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« Reply #82 on: November 18, 2009, 01:52:41 PM »
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There is no fringing or any other optical defect visible in the focused area - everything else is bokeh, although it doesn't look nice in this particular example.

Purple bokeh, eh?

Peep this:
purple fringing

Again, it's not shocking, but it's not superior to the purple fringing seen on my Canon 50mm lens either. Just saying, I am not seeing Leica's optical superiority just yet...need more samples...
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« Reply #83 on: November 18, 2009, 03:00:06 PM »
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Purple bokeh, eh?

Peep this:
purple fringing

Again, it's not shocking, but it's not superior to the purple fringing seen on my Canon 50mm lens either. Just saying, I am not seeing Leica's optical superiority just yet...need more samples...
anyone in-the-know knows that Leica's rendering of the purple fringing is "clearly" superior to any other lens maker,
once viewed on a properly calibrated monitor and/or printed on imported extra virgin fiber pearlescent paper, of course.
it is not nearly as harsh ... so bokey-like.  and the tonal depth and gradation is just superb. what's not to like?  



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check out the size of my sensor ...
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« Reply #84 on: November 18, 2009, 03:08:05 PM »
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anyone in-the-know knows that Leica's rendering of the purple fringing is "clearly" superior to any other lens maker,
once viewed on a properly calibrated monitor and/or printed on imported extra virgin fiber pearlescent paper, of course.
it is not nearly as harsh ... so bokey-like.  and the tonal depth and gradation is just superb. what's not to like?

Can you pass me some of that kool-aid and a pair of those amber tinted glasses.
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« Reply #85 on: November 18, 2009, 11:14:34 PM »
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Can you pass me some of that kool-aid and a pair of those amber tinted glasses.

Looks like Sarah is not the only one going rogue.  
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« Reply #86 on: November 19, 2009, 03:10:23 AM »
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Can you pass me some of that kool-aid and a pair of those amber tinted glasses.
he/she was ironic....
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« Reply #87 on: November 19, 2009, 06:17:17 AM »
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I think it looks like an awesome camera.
If it had 3  Tilt Shift lenses readily available,I certainly would consider one.
Best,
Willem.
Bingo!  
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« Reply #88 on: November 19, 2009, 07:05:30 AM »
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Bcooter, you just made my whole fucking week!!  haven't laughed this hard since Sarah Palin saw Kamchatka...

- N.


Sad to read this lenguage here.  (Let it out in your bathroom)

I guess sarah didn't see it, as the jerk, sit for 20 years and didn't know anything, as he don't know now. FAT LIAR
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« Reply #89 on: November 19, 2009, 10:25:07 AM »
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I'm sorry, a 'review' by a camera dealer is not a review -- it's an overview of the camera, designed, with it's best foot fwd, to secure orders for same.
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« Reply #90 on: November 19, 2009, 01:29:46 PM »
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Two Russian oligarchs meet up for quiet drink. One of them sees that the other is wearing a pair of ostentatious reptile skin shoes (of course he doesn't know that they are "ostentatious"...)
"Nice shoes Sergei, how much you pay?" says Boris.
"I not remember exactly" says Sergei "but less than $4000."
"You crazy" replies Boris "I know where you can get for $7000".
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« Reply #91 on: November 20, 2009, 11:24:25 PM »
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I'm sorry, a 'review' by a camera dealer is not a review -- it's an overview of the camera, designed, with it's best foot fwd, to secure orders for same.


After spending a few hours with the new Leica S2 today I can honestly say I am impressed. Leica seemed to do the job I expected them to do as far as construction quality and optical quality.  The camera handles like a heavy 5D with what seems like the image quality of any of the best MF cameras, (judging by some quick views of the files).

For someone like me who has not moved into MF yet, this camera seems to be the perfect answer. It's a system that is as simple and rugged as a Canon 1Ds with vastly superior image quality. Leica seems to have really got it right and I'm very surprised at how much I want one :-)

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« Reply #92 on: November 20, 2009, 11:51:45 PM »
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After spending a few hours with the new Leica S2 today I can honestly say I am impressed. Leica seemed to do the job I expected them to do as far as construction quality and optical quality.  The camera handles like a heavy 5D with what seems like the image quality of any of the best MF cameras, (judging by some quick views of the files).

For someone like me who has not moved into MF yet, this camera seems to be the perfect answer. It's a system that is as simple and rugged as a Canon 1Ds with vastly superior image quality. Leica seems to have really got it right and I'm very surprised at how much I want one :-)


If the perfect answer is $23,000 and $7,000 per lens you might want to find a different question.
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« Reply #93 on: November 21, 2009, 11:54:44 AM »
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Two Russian oligarchs

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« Reply #94 on: November 22, 2009, 09:49:00 AM »
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If the perfect answer is $23,000 and $7,000 per lens you might want to find a different question.


Why? When it was announced I was very skeptical and a bit miffed that Leica abandoned the R system. But compared with the average MF system, I don't see the S2 being much different as far as price.  I do think, however, until it's in our hands for a few weeks at least, we can't be sure of bugs or problems.  But from one quick afternoon with the camera I can truly say I am very excited and impressed with it. For my needs, seems like the perfect MF camera.

I am also concurrently shooting HD video work and looking into new HD digital movie cameras from Sony, RED and ARRI. Compared with high end 35mm movie camera glass,  the Leica S2 lenses are very reasonably priced. It's all relative I guess.
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« Reply #95 on: November 22, 2009, 02:56:23 PM »
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great picture. well, i did recognize abramovich, but who is the other one?
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« Reply #96 on: November 24, 2009, 05:46:56 AM »
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we are interested in how the camera renders
transition zones and low light shooting. your review will surely make an interesting read.
looking forward, peter

The S2 is not a reportage camera. Low light performance? I think it is a camera for light-controlled conditions, in studio or outside.
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« Reply #97 on: November 24, 2009, 05:49:15 AM »
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As I pointed out in another thread, this purple fringing from the Leica 70mm lens does not look superior to me. Same issues as any other (and far cheaper) fast lens.

Re:
http://tashley1.zenfolio.com/p775893693/h3b47e28e#h354bc47e

Now I am quoting myself here:
"two months ago people were looking at the Leica charts and graphs and salivating. Now, as I suspected, these mad money lenses have not, in fact, changed the laws of physics ;-) Good luck telling the difference between these and a $200 Mamiya 80mm lens in print ;-)"

The so-called purple fringing isn't necessarily related to chromatic aberrations. I think in many cases the cause behind the problem has to do with the angle of incidence of the light on the sensor filters and microlenses.
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« Reply #98 on: November 24, 2009, 06:31:53 AM »
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The so-called purple fringing isn't necessarily related to chromatic aberrations. I think in many cases the cause behind the problem has to do with the angle of incidence of the light on the sensor filters and microlenses.

Which of course are design parameters.

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« Reply #99 on: November 24, 2009, 08:37:16 AM »
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The so-called purple fringing isn't necessarily related to chromatic aberrations. I think in many cases the cause behind the problem has to do with the angle of incidence of the light on the sensor filters and microlenses.
Interesting, as the S2 has microlenses while most DMF does not. We might be viewing these S2 images in more detail (at higher angular resolution of the subject) than any other images with the same FOV taken through microlenses. Is this a possible reason for avoiding microlenses on cameras oriented to optimal image quality when enough light is available, and thus intended primarily for use at low ISO speeds? (Which I see as the inevitable future niche for formats larger than 24x36mm).
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