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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2010, 12:47:26 PM »
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It's pretty hard to exclude NEC from the list.  They have a dedicated line of monitors with hardware calibration and software. They were the first to introduce a wide gamut LED backlit display, and I have received excellent responses to technical questions from their reps both on this board and by phone. Plus, by all spec, accounts and appearances, the NEC and Lacie 26" monitors are identical.

I agree. In fact, I've been asking for years what the additional price of the other product brings to the party (and so far, it appears to be one year additional warranty).

As for LaCie, its the same panel but the question is, do they get the pick of the litter? My impression is they don't (much like the old Sony Artisan had the same tube as other in the product line but not those which produced the best quality control feedback on line).
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2010, 09:18:42 PM »
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That is a good point, but as with audio, high end dealers and manufacturers often demand a steep price for a relatively minor improvement in quality. From your byline and the Capture Integration web site, I see that you are one of those  high end outfits and it is not surprising that you recommend Eizo or LaCie.


bjanes

You are correct that we do sell and support LaCie and Eizo monitors. We are knowledgeable about the systems, have excellent relationships with the vendors, and acknowledge their tier in the marketplace respective to competitors. They are also the preferred standard equipment for most of the clients we work with.

I think that what can be a minor improvement in quality to some can be a critical improvement in quality to others. We do not make any apology for selling products that are considered premium quality in their class. You are right though, they are not for everyone. They do stretch budgets, and the differences can be lost on some or not important enough to justify the additional outlay. As you can tell, we are not an e-commerce site or camera store. We are specialists in the products we sell and support, and the depth to which we support them. Many clients prefer the highest level of support when they are investing in products at this spectrum of the market and we provide that.


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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2010, 09:37:28 PM »
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It's pretty hard to exclude NEC from the list.  They have a dedicated line of monitors with hardware calibration and software. They were the first to introduce a wide gamut LED backlit display, and I have received excellent responses to technical questions from their reps both on this board and by phone. Plus, by all spec, accounts and appearances, the NEC and Lacie 26" monitors are identical.


Yes, and by no means did I imply they should be excluded. I just saw LaCie as a very worthy choice that wasn't mentioned.

If you go back to the late 1990's/early to mid 2000's, most studios had either a Barco monitor or a 19"/22" LaCie Electron Blue CRT.

The Barco was $4,000 - $5,000, the LaCie $400 - $800. LaCie sold a ton of these monitors. They weren't quite as good as a Barco, but they were pretty close and certainly better than the average CRT. They were a great value and the Blue Eye for the money was an excellent monitor. Since then LaCie has produced quality displays, but somehow they've lost their market focus. I think it is partly due to many good choices out there, and this includes Eizo, NEC, even HP. But they make very good displays at good prices and with the 724 have a unique product with the 123% Adobe RGB gamut.

I'm glad you've had good experience with NEC support. I had a customer who had purchased a Sony Artisan and after the warranty was over and Sony discontinued the Artisan (and all high-end color accurate displays) this customer had a bad experience with Sony where she was hung out to dry. So I say this more as cautionary tale than anything else and as a justification for focusing on manufacturers who have a continued legacy of producing monitors aimed at this part of the market. We intend to sell premium, accurate displays for a long time and we value manufacturers who are committed to the same. Doesn't mean NEC or HP or whoever is not committed. But they are large companies for whom the high end accurate display market is a very small piece of their overall company strategy. I could be over cautious with this issue and, as you mentioned, you have had a good experience so far.

As far as the NEC and LaCie versions of the 26" monitor being identical, I do not believe they are identical, but it is difficult to determine how they are different. I am also under the impression the IPS panel is the same, although the last time I spoke with LaCie they denied this. Hard to say, even if it is, there are other components that may not be identical that can make a difference. They are likely very similar in any event.


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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2010, 09:26:15 AM »
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If you go back to the late 1990's/early to mid 2000's, most studios had either a Barco monitor or a 19"/22" LaCie Electron Blue CRT. The Barco was $4,000 - $5,000, the LaCie $400 - $800. LaCie sold a ton of these monitors. They weren't quite as good as a Barco, but they were pretty close and certainly better than the average CRT.

I'd be hard pressed to put the LaCie Electron Blue in the same camp (even the same state <g>) as a Barco. I've owned and used both, and PressViews (17 & 21's), Artisans etc. A 25 quadrant purity control using the mated colorimeter on the Barco was something few others could even dream about. I recall Bruce Fraser doing a review and using a $20K spectroradiometer finding the Barco had a tad less than a deltaE of 1 across the entire screen.And I recall a lot of dissatisfied users of later LaCie blue's due to really poor quality control issues. My point is, you simply can't lump the LaCie at its price point and performance level anywhere near a Barco Reference V let alone an Artisan.

The idea of painting a display system blue when years prior, the competition (Radius) went to lengths to provide a black smock for the user to wear provides a glimpse into the mind set of LaCie who doesn't really make anything but takes hardware as an OEM and then slaps a label on it.

The big question remains. What's the benefit of the Eizo over the NEC based on the pretty significant price difference other than an extra year warranty? Software usability and features of both being part of the competitive matrix.
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2010, 08:24:52 PM »
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I'd be hard pressed to put the LaCie Electron Blue in the same camp (even the same state <g>) as a Barco. I've owned and used both, and PressViews (17 & 21's), Artisans etc. A 25 quadrant purity control using the mated colorimeter on the Barco was something few others could even dream about. I recall Bruce Fraser doing a review and using a $20K spectroradiometer finding the Barco had a tad less than a deltaE of 1 across the entire screen.And I recall a lot of dissatisfied users of later LaCie blue's due to really poor quality control issues. My point is, you simply can't lump the LaCie at its price point and performance level anywhere near a Barco Reference V let alone an Artisan.

The idea of painting a display system blue when years prior, the competition (Radius) went to lengths to provide a black smock for the user to wear provides a glimpse into the mind set of LaCie who doesn't really make anything but takes hardware as an OEM and then slaps a label on it.

The big question remains. What's the benefit of the Eizo over the NEC based on the pretty significant price difference other than an extra year warranty? Software usability and features of both being part of the competitive matrix.


I agree and didn't mean that the Electron Blue was anywhere near comparable to the Barco but it did provide a very good monitor at a good value ($700). Our incidence of dissatisfied owners was low. The Barco was an awesome monitor that sold for $4K - $5K, while the Sony Artisan sold near $2K. I still have a few customers using Barcos.

Currently the difference between the NEC2690 and the LaCie 526LCD is about $50 (the LaCie is higher). The panel is the same. I don't know that any of the other components make much of a difference or not. I was told today by LaCie that there will be a software update for the 526 LCD at the end of this month, but I'm not aware what any benefits will be.

The beginning of this thread was focused on wide gamut monitors that range from $600 - $2,200 and the original poster was looking for the best value. I feel the LaCie is certainly justified in being considered with the proposed group. Or not. But if someone will consider an NEC 2690 for $1,200, then it seems reasonable to consider a LaCie 526LCD for $1,300 and an extra year warranty.


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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2010, 08:05:17 AM »
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I think this discussion thread should be somehow highlighted and saved. Great discussion for those of us moving into more serious equipment to help clarify the options. Based on the discussions I am leaning toward the NEC and investigating the LaCie.
Thanks again to all for the clarification!!
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« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2010, 12:54:41 PM »
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I am considering purchasing an Eizo 24" and this thread has been very interesting.

That said, most of the talk on this subject tends to revolve around the hardware and not the software that profiles it.

I have been using basICColor Display to profile a Dell 2709W and have never had problems with it - though most of my work involves the inclusion of a Gretag CC in the shot and this makes it easier for clients/designers down the line to achieve the colour they want at the print stage.

I would dearly love to see a comparison test involving top class monitors pitted against less salubrious monitors (such as my Dell) *but* with the cheaper monitors profiled using *top class* software - which I believe basICColor Display to be.

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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2010, 12:45:21 PM »
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I know that many of you were waiting breathlessly to see what was my final decision since I started this thread.
Well I was on my way to buy the NEC and then Santa Claus showed up. So B&H is one Eizo 24" short now.
I must say up front that I would not have spent the extra money had Santa not shown up, but I must say that my jaw dropped to the floor when I fired up the Eizo next to my older Dell 24". The quality of the image was just staggering in terms of dynamic range and clarity. To have a much broader spectrum monitor made it abundantly clear why I was having trouble matching my monitor to my prints. WOW!!
Thanks again to all for the input. Perhaps when this one dies in 5+ (hopefully) years we'll be able to view and print in 3D!!  
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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2010, 01:13:42 PM »
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What about NEC's new monitor http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product...42-e6251364bf7c

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Anyone get one yet?
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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2010, 12:45:11 AM »
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What about NEC's new monitor http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product...42-e6251364bf7c

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Anyone get one yet?


yeah i would like to hear feedback on this monitor as well
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« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2010, 11:32:44 AM »
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What about NEC's new monitor http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product...42-e6251364bf7c

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Anyone get one yet?
Yes but I don’t yet have permission to talk about it and have to really start hammering on it. But there is some really interesting new technology here that could make it a game changer.
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« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2010, 07:51:44 PM »
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Yes but I don’t yet have permission to talk about it and have to really start hammering on it. But there is some really interesting new technology here that could make it a game changer.


any more info about this?
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« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2010, 08:49:48 PM »
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any more info about this?

Not yet sorry.
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« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2010, 06:54:25 PM »
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Yes but I don’t yet have permission to talk about it and have to really start hammering on it. But there is some really interesting new technology here that could make it a game changer.


I am confused; this item is released and shipping, correct? How come you cant talk about it?
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« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2010, 07:30:59 PM »
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I am confused; this item is released and shipping, correct? How come you cant talk about it?

I don’t believe its been released.
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« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2010, 11:14:37 PM »
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What about NEC's new monitor http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product...42-e6251364bf7c

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Anyone get one yet?
"Superior screen performance (1000:1 contrast ratio, 1920 x 1200 native resolution, 360cd/m2 brightness)". Those contrast/brightness specs raise a red flag for me. I don't want my display anywhere near that level of brightness, which makes me wonder how good it is when you turn the luminance down to more useful levels.

No mention of 10-bit/12-bit color in the specs, I wonder if that's just an oversight. IMHO this is a must-have feature for any wide-gamut display coming on the market now.
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« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2010, 08:17:43 AM »
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"Superior screen performance (1000:1 contrast ratio, 1920 x 1200 native resolution, 360cd/m2 brightness)". Those contrast/brightness specs raise a red flag for me. I don't want my display anywhere near that level of brightness, which makes me wonder how good it is when you turn the luminance down to more useful levels.

No mention of 10-bit/12-bit color in the specs, I wonder if that's just an oversight. IMHO this is a must-have feature for any wide-gamut display coming on the market now.

Actually, it is mentioned - according to specs PA241W has 10bit signal input, 14bit 3D LUT with 16bit processing, and 10bit output.

As for the luminance, you don't have to worry
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« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2010, 08:40:59 AM »
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Looks like a real winner to me.

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« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2010, 09:06:08 AM »
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I don’t believe its been released.


ok, my bad, I saw it listed online but then I looked further and they are not available yet.
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« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2010, 10:47:16 AM »
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Quote from: JeffKohn
"Superior screen performance (1000:1 contrast ratio, 1920 x 1200 native resolution, 360cd/m2 brightness)". Those contrast/brightness specs raise a red flag for me. I don't want my display anywhere near that level of brightness, which makes me wonder how good it is when you turn the luminance down to more useful levels.

No mention of 10-bit/12-bit color in the specs, I wonder if that's just an oversight. IMHO this is a must-have feature for any wide-gamut display coming on the market now.

That’s the marketing departments speaking to those that don’t deal with imaging and soft proofing. None the less, you are not forced to use either max setting here, so nothing to be concerned with.
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