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« on: March 01, 2010, 05:18:51 AM »
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f6.7
0.3s exposure
HCD28
ISO800

Hand held (carefully braced against barrier!)

Slight Clarity and Shadow Fill adjustment

Tad of USM

Zero noise reduction.

I took this at 17:50, Sunset for that day is 18:25.  Very overcast, so there was no "Big Fat" favourable MFD light.  Just muddiness!

Full image...
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Crops...

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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2010, 05:36:31 AM »
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Quote from: David Grover / Hasselblad
f6.7
0.3s exposure
HCD28

Hand held (carefully braced against barrier!)

Slight Clarity and Shadow Fill adjustment

Tad of USM

Zero noise reduction.

I took this at 17:50, Sunset for that day is 18:25.  Very overcast, so there was no "Big Fat" favourable MFD light.  Just muddiness!

This is a similar type of shot to the Hasselblad picture of Hongkong on the USB card they gave me at the HD4-40 launch, and I found that Phocus 2.1 could almost eliminate the muddiness, cast etc, and make a really usable picture.
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2010, 07:19:28 AM »
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The 28mm lens is no slouch.
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2010, 07:41:54 AM »
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Very impressive, in the dark and warm areas.
May those pics close the eternal debate between 35mm and MDF...

Cheers,

Fred.
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2010, 11:10:14 AM »
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David
Thank you for posting this
is there any ways you can host/post the Raw file for download?
Thank you
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2010, 12:09:45 PM »
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Quote from: David Grover / Hasselblad
f6.7
0.3s exposure
HCD28
ISO800

Hand held (carefully braced against barrier!)

Slight Clarity and Shadow Fill adjustment

Tad of USM

Zero noise reduction.

I took this at 17:50, Sunset for that day is 18:25.  Very overcast, so there was no "Big Fat" favourable MFD light.  Just muddiness!

Dave,

I think a lot of people would like to see a higher rez version.  Even a processed tiff could be set to jpeg compression 11 and that would only make about a 5 mb file which is pretty easy to download.

Saturday I was in a large camera store (yes there are a few camera stores left) and since this was Saturday you know it's not B+H.  Anyway, this store sells most medium format backs and cameras and the sales person who I have known a long time said Phocus is now quite good, except for the fact it uses a lot of video card power or video ram.

What I would love to see on a u tube video  (honestly . . . not in a way to trip anyone up) from you and your competitors is set up your camera connected to either a new clamshell powerbook or I Mac (no towers as towers do not travel well) set up with a 23" mirrored monitor and approx 30 ft. of firewire cord, that's around 9 meters for your rest of the world folk, ( and shoot about 800 frames, all named to about 11 different folders.

Go through the real world process of naming the folders before hand, renaming some of the shots because the AD decided to change the inset to the feature, shoot, shoot and keep shooting, then somewhere in the middle of all of this pull the firewire cord to make it disconnect, (so we can see how long it takes to reconnect), shoot some to cards and put them in sequence of the shoot, then reconnect shoot some more, then somewhere in the shooting process background process some smaller jpegs or tiffs (so the client can e-mail a few to the boss), with it not interrupting the shoot.

When briefly shooting non tethered, have the photographer show the AD the shot on the back of the camera and zoom in on the AD's reaction.  Does he squint, does he say great, does he say "what the hell is that"?

Now keep the video camera running and have the digital tech copy these to two different portable firewire drives for backup, then follow him/her to his room, office, van, and (keep that video camera running) have him/her put the images (from tethered and portable) in proper naming,  correct and process out 800 jpegs for web gallery use at 900 to 1000 pixels on the longest side.

I'm serious (well as serious as I get which probably isn't that serious), that this is what makes or breaks a system in real world use.

Now please on that U tube video have a preproduction meeting where nobody on set is allowed to say the words fabulous, fab, cool, groovy, sick, or marvelous.  No back slapping, two cheek kissing, holding glasses of wine.    Just let them stick to the facts man.

Now the final segment of the video is where you put the digital tech into one of those curtained rooms where his face is in shadow and his voice distorted and you ask him these question.

1.  How did Phocus work on set.  Any glitches or crashes?  

2. How was it shooting to card, renaming and inserting them into the master shoot folder.  

3.  Did he see any weird stuff in the files, moire, alaising, artifacts?

4.  How long did it take to correct, process and insert these jpegs into web galleries.

5.  What time did he go to bed.


Thanks

BC

P.S.  Now not to start a rumor though I was told that soon Phocus will soon process Canon and Nikon files.   Any truth to this . . . because if it does that would be fab, cool, sick and marvelous.

If it tethered to these cameras that would be even better and I'm sure a lot of people will give you the two cheek kiss.



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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2010, 12:39:36 PM »
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Hi James,

How would know if I didn't sneakily edit the video?  ;-)

My point being the only person who can determine if the system is right for you, is probably you.

Jpeg level 10 is 7.5MB and the max upload is 2MB here so Ill figure something else out.

David

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2010, 12:42:52 PM »
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Here is a yousendit.com link to a level 10 Jpeg..

https://rcpt.yousendit.com/828007285/6fdce0...49a17ad12ba41cd

Valid for 7 days but no idea if they pull it if too many downloads.

So get it while its hot!

D

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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2010, 12:44:14 PM »
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BC

Maybe to get the ball rolling,  and to provide a template for David to follow,  you should create this YouTube video
with all the parameters you list as necessary for a successful shoot showcasing the equipment and manpower
required to make this a reality.

Mark
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2010, 12:51:01 PM »
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Quote from: bcooter
When briefly shooting non tethered, have the photographer show the AD the shot on the back of the camera and zoom in on the AD's reaction.  Does he squint, does he say great, does he say "what the hell is that"?
If it is the photographer that shows from the back to the AD then it could be suspicious too    
The AD should just stay quiet in front of the monitor 30ft back while a camera is filming his face expressions.        

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P.S.  Now not to start a rumor though I was told that soon Phocus will soon process Canon and Nikon files.   Any truth to this . . . because if it does that would be fab, cool, sick and marvelous.

If it tethered to these cameras that would be even better and I'm sure a lot of people will give you the two cheek kiss.
Any Plan for Pentax as well?

Fred.
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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2010, 01:01:41 PM »
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BC

Maybe to get the ball rolling,  and to provide a template for David to follow,  you should create this YouTube video
with all the parameters you list as necessary for a successful shoot showcasing the equipment and manpower
required to make this a reality.

Mark


Mark,

No problem.

Who do I send the estimate to?

 BC

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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2010, 01:03:21 PM »
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Hi James,

How would know if I didn't sneakily edit the video?  ;-)

David


Dave,

We all know that NOBODY in camera land would ever misrepresent a product.

We have total faith.

Actually I downloaded your file, but I don't shoot buildings and Hong Kong is pretty funky with all the smog, fog and mercry vapors.  Looks pretty good though.  (man I love Hong Kong . . . did you try the gooey web feet?)

Anyway.

The only detail test I look for is what I call the crop it vertical from a horizontal test cause this is what clients do.

A shot like this (don't look for detail cause it's a screen shot), shot with continuous light, high iso, where if you crop a breathing subject to shot horizontal to  vertical and do you see enough eyelash to retouch around?

[attachment=20588:eyelashes.jpg]

This vertical horizontal thing is the most abuse my files get, cause everybody now runs everything everywhere.

Thx.

BC

P.S.  Also come on Dave spill the beans, you guys gonna process them little Nikon and Canon files?
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2010, 01:39:50 PM »
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Actually I downloaded your file, but I don't shoot buildings and Hong Kong is pretty funky with all the smog, fog and mercry vapors.  Looks pretty good though.  (man I love Hong Kong . . . did you try the gooey web feet?)



Thx.

P.S.  Also come on Dave spill the beans, you guys gonna process them little Nikon and Canon files?

Exactly...which is why you need to try it out for yourself, as no singular sample image applies to all.

As for Canon / Nikon, it has been talked about many times, but it is not as simple as just adding support.  There are much wider implications on a commercial level.

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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2010, 01:47:54 PM »
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Quote from: David Grover / Hasselblad
Here is a yousendit.com link to a level 10 Jpeg..

https://rcpt.yousendit.com/828007285/6fdce0...49a17ad12ba41cd

Valid for 7 days but no idea if they pull it if too many downloads.

So get it while its hot!

D

Looks like a file from Nikon at iso800 but with a much higher resolution. Impressive.
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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2010, 02:23:00 PM »
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Quote from: David Grover / Hasselblad
f6.7
0.3s exposure
HCD28
ISO800

Hand held (carefully braced against barrier!)

Slight Clarity and Shadow Fill adjustment

Tad of USM

Zero noise reduction.

I took this at 17:50, Sunset for that day is 18:25.  Very overcast, so there was no "Big Fat" favourable MFD light.  Just muddiness!


dude.  hand held?  you're a machine.  
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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2010, 02:28:25 PM »
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Dave,

We all know that NOBODY in camera land would ever misrepresent a product.
BC

P.S.  Also come on Dave spill the beans, you guys gonna process them little Nikon and Canon files?


I like the Canon sample files, they are really totally honest, every time I got a Canon I could do at least as well as the posted files.

Edmund
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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2010, 02:35:18 PM »
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Bcooter, will you let Mr.Russell know, when your talking to him next, that the ballet image posted is simply beautiful.

Sometimes the camera is totally irrelevant.   (unless you need a D3 to focus on a moving target in that gorgeous ambient light  )
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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2010, 03:03:38 PM »
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So get it while its hot!

David,

That's an awfully nice file. I didn't know you worked out. You sure that wasn't a Foba camera stand you were leaning against?

I think next time, instead of some silly countdown clock on a webpage, why not just show a nice PHOTOGRAPH like that, and then have a countdown clock mounted on one of those buildings in that scene, kinda like that National Debt counter in Union Square, and then once it counts down, the fireworks come out of the top of one of those skyscrapers in that PHOTOGRAPH.

It's so funny to me -- mounds and mounds of Words wasted, and mounds and mounds of Specs and Numbers wasted, and all you've got to do is show one PHOTOGRAPH, and everyone in the world totally gets it that you've got a winner on your hands there.

So simple -- no ad agency needed -- just show one PHOTOGRAPH. Handheld, even. Distorted, even. But everybody gets it that's a nice camera and back.

Good luck with it. Very nice.
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2010, 03:25:42 PM »
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Nice.  Real nice.

I checked out Phocus and I like it.  Its a little slow on my tower but my v-card needs to be upgraded.

If H supports Nikon and Canon, well, you would really hit it out of the park, as we say in the states.  

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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2010, 03:50:53 PM »
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Really helpful set of pictures, with tremendous level of detail. I'm currently just starting the research for a potential switch to Digital MF (currently 5x4 and Nikon). The full shot seems to have the distortion from such a wide lens with the skyscrapers on top LHS in particular radiating outwards. Does Phocus offer a way of controlling/recovering this? I use DxO for the Nikon and understood that Hasselblad have similar lens mapping to optimise performance.

Not sure I 'need' H4D at this stage, but don't want to hijack the thread.

Many thanks

Bax
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