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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2010, 04:13:41 PM »
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The size of the color space is kind of meaningless. Yes, its nice to have an extended gamut display. But like the bogus contrast ratio settings, or the spec’s for how high a display can produce cd/m2, its not useful for the work we do. Having a reference display, one that can be calibrated consistently and to a precise manner is far more important.

I’ve yet to see anything that has proven to me that the Eizo warrants the extra money over the NEC. I’m not saying Eizo doesn’t make a great product. It may be just as good as the NEC, it might be better but the later nor the excessive difference in price has at yet been proven to me. I’m all ears however.

The 3090W-BK-SV 30" Widescreen LCD Display with Color Calibrator is exactly the product some of us are recommending at this time.

Saying that wide gamut isn't useful for what photographers do is going rather far.
It's makes quite a difference viewing lots of my fall foliage and sunset photos!

Anyway I doubt the HP has a wider gamut than the PA. Most likely equal, but who knows.
The size of the gamut in terms of the way he is thinking has nothing to do with the bit depth anyway. You can have a 6bit AdobeRGB space and 10bit sRGB.

The NEC PA have the same 10bits anyway, but as you say you can't really directly make use of that yet in any practical sort of way.
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« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2011, 03:39:58 AM »
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Hi.  I need a new monitor for photo processing and printing (HP Z3100) and I dont follow monitor trends, so just wondering whether NEC has come out with anything that supercedes the model recommended most in this thread (NEC MultiSync 3090W-BK-SV) since the last post in summer 2010)?  Or whether anyone has recommendations for something of similar quality for less money, or something better for the same money?  Everyone seems really happy with it and I'm sure I would be too, but I figure I may as well get the latest, all else being equal.
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« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2011, 04:22:28 AM »
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Last I heard, PHotoshop does not support 10 bits, Displayport supports 10 bits but due to some bugs vs computer sleep modes it is not really recommended, according to the author of ArgyllCMS 10 bit may not really matter.

The industry tries very hard to make nice numbers and convince us to buy. What will make us happy in the end is quality, stability, things that are hard to stick numbers to.

I have the Dell 2711 27" display. Fairly satisfied, but I have not been able to profile it satisfyingly using Spyder 3. Using it in sRGB emulation mode now.

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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2011, 08:56:53 AM »
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just wondering whether NEC has come out with anything that supercedes the model recommended most in this thread (NEC MultiSync 3090W-BK-SV) since the last post in summer 2010)?  Or whether anyone has recommendations for something of similar quality for less money, or something better for the same money? 

The PA series is the newest kid on the block from NEC but no 30” yet. If you wanted a 30”, that still be the 3090. The PA271W is the newer technology but is 27”
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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2011, 12:03:09 PM »
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I don't know if the PA 30" is out yet, but we very recently got the PA241 for my wife and her MAC.  I use the LCD3090 with my PC, and I am spoiled by the ample working area.  However, the measured blackpoint on the 3090, whether calibrated with SpectraviewII and the Eye1Display2 or Colormunki has been between .35 and .4 consistantly with a whitepoint set at 120 c/m2.  The PA241 comes in with a blackpoint at .20-.23, although I'm not sure the difference is that meaningful.  I would assume that the PA30" monitor would also have the better blackpoint.
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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2011, 03:14:58 PM »
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Walter, in the FWIW and things-that-make-you-say-"Hmmm..." departments, I've been getting a lower black point on my faithful old 2090uxi since I updated Spectraview II to the latest version.  I was more than a few versions behind.

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« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2011, 04:49:59 PM »
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The NEC PA301W starts selling here in Australia in the next week or so, I believe it's European release is the same. I assume that the U.S release should also correspond pretty closely.

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« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2011, 07:18:10 PM »
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Thanks for info.  My application is largely working with large panoramas, typically over 10,000 pixels wide, often over 100,000, so I think the largest monitor would be useful for me.  I understand the principles of color management, though I still find the practice challenging.  So I'm happy (sort of) to pay for something that I can grow into professionally, but being in Fairbanks I dont have the opportunity to easily check out monitors on my own or try them out, so I really appreciate the advice of this forum.  From an internet search, it seems the PA 30" will be closer to $3000 (versus ~$2000 for the 3090), and I dont have enough expertise to understand whether I would actually be able to make use of this difference, either in my own eye quality or more importantly whether my printer (HP Z3100) will be able to reproduce the advantage.  Considering that many of my prints are 20' long or more, it doesnt take too many mistakes to pay for a better monitor.  That is, personally I'm not so concerned about how many colors I see on the screen but more whether those colors will look the same on the print.  This is the part I've had a hard time finding information on, if anyone has any suggestions or links, I'd really appreciate it.  So in short I guess my question is whether the PA series is going to make an appreciable difference in going from screen to plotter, or whether this is more important for those who need the best purely-digital images. 

BTW, I found this link (and especially many of the links within it) to be especially helpful in understanding the different flavors of IPS for anyone interested  http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/nec_pa241w.htm

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« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2011, 07:22:47 PM »
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From an internet search, it seems the PA 30" will be closer to $3000 (versus ~$2000 for the 3090), and I dont have enough expertise to understand whether I would actually be able to make use of this difference, either in my own eye quality or more importantly whether my printer (HP Z3100) will be able to reproduce the advantage.

The newest, latest and greatest unit (presumably the new PA30”) is doing to cost a lot more than the previously latest and greatest unit (3090). The 3090 is an excellent unit, its probably priced to move considering a new kid is on the block. IF you want a 30” display, if the new unit is out of your budget, take advantage of the pricing on the last generation.
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« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2011, 12:23:31 PM »
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Walter, in the FWIW and things-that-make-you-say-"Hmmm..." departments, I've been getting a lower black point on my faithful old 2090uxi since I updated Spectraview II to the latest version.  I was more than a few versions behind.

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My SpectraviewII is the most recent.
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« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2011, 06:25:59 PM »
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My SpectraviewII is the most recent.

Hi Andrew, are you still using the 3090 these days?

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« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2011, 06:44:43 PM »
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Hi Andrew, are you still using the 3090 these days?

I am indeed (and a PA271W).
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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2011, 04:27:55 AM »
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I am indeed (and a PA271W).

Nice. Do you think the PA is an improvement?
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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2011, 09:49:41 AM »
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Nice. Do you think the PA is an improvement?

I do. Is smaller but just about everything else about it is better. I’ve only had it a little while but its very nice.
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« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2011, 06:45:16 AM »
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Eizo or Quato
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« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2011, 03:02:21 AM »
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I have been coveting the NEC MultiSync 3090W. Using it as both a computer and a TV display could “take some of the sting out” of the price tag.  Have you tried using the NEC this way?  I see that it has dual DVI inputs, and suppose I could connect one of them to an HDMI port on my home theater receiver.  Your thoughts?

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« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2011, 05:29:31 PM »
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Hi There!!

I ma wondering about these NEC's monitors.  THere are two 30" monitors.  The spectra view that is an older technology with hardware based calibration and the new PA series 30" that does not offer this feature.

Should I buy the newer PA 30" monitor or the older Spectraview.

Need to pull the trigger ASAP so any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

JT
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« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2011, 06:52:01 PM »
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Should I buy the newer PA 30" monitor or the older Spectraview.

Haven’t got my hands on one yet but I suspect you want the PA.
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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2011, 03:43:38 PM »
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Should I buy the newer PA 30" monitor or the older Spectraview.

I'd definietly go PA301W, in comparison to 3090 virtually everyting is a little bit improved in that display - it's the sum of small tweaks that make the difference.
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