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« on: September 30, 2010, 09:36:35 PM »
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NEC SpectraView® Reference 3090
seems to be a correct name here in Sweden .

It is advertised as a " complete package for calibration "
but .. the hardware puck is not included .
according to a sale person the only option is a Eye One Pro  Photo  spectrophotometer
as colorimeters are not capable of measuring the gamut of this monitor .

Disadvantage of Eye One Photo is its high price.

Any other options for me ?
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2010, 11:21:50 PM »
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Yes, a sale person is right.
Europeen SpectraView Profiler (a.k.a. basICColor display) also supports cheap colorimeters (i1Display 2/LT, Spyder3), but these colorimeters are not the best choice for a wide gamut display.
Unfortunately SpectraView Profiler doesn't support ColorMunki Photo/Design spectros.
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2010, 11:41:36 PM »
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Is the calibrator sold with NEC in US  a spectrophotometer ?
Obviously if NEc is selling it in the package with the monitor it should work properly ?!
 
If so is it possible to buy it separately ?
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2010, 12:31:11 AM »
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Is the calibrator sold with NEC in US  a spectrophotometer ?
No. In America SpectraView displays are bundled with SpectraViewII kit, not with SpectraView Profiler (aka basICColor display). American SpectraViewII kit includes the SpectraView II software and the custom calibrated (for wide gamut NEC displays)version of the i1Display 2 colorimeter (NEC MDSVSENSOR2).
But NEC MDSVSENSOR2 is not custom calibrated for European SpectraView Profiler or any other software.

BTW you can buy SpectraViewII kit (or SpectraView II software or NEC MDSVSENSOR2 only) at Amazon.com. But in this case your SpectraView Profiler software will be useless.
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2010, 02:10:24 AM »
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This is confusing ---
If I order a Spectra View kit from Amazon -
( with puck ) - will it produce good ICC profile for my european screen ?
Or is BAsiccolor a much better software ?

I understand that probably the best solution would be to buy Eye One photo sensor or wait for Basiccolor discus - but that means extra 1200$  -
so If I'm reluctant to spend more then 500$ on calibrator - what option Do I have
( I own 4 other  monitors that I would like to calibrate  with it as well , because my current Monaco puck has been checked and verified as " not so good " )
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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2010, 03:01:26 AM »
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I think basICColor is better.
SpectraView II software can create ICC v.2 matrix-based profiles only.
basICColor display software can create ICC v.2 and v.4, matrix-based and LUT-based profiles.
Nevertheless SVII profiles are good enough. I've tested the SVII profile for my NEC 2690WUXi2 against UGRA and IDEAlliance certification specifications - the profile is excelent.
BTW for wide gamut displays it's highly recommended to use spectrometers or custom calibrated versions of colorimeters (or applications with correction matrices for regular colorimeters).
SpectraView II supports ColorMunki spectros and NEC colorimeter as well as an i1Pro. basICColor supports an i1Pro only.

Therefore in Europe many people buy regular European NEC displays and then...  SVII kit from USA.
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2010, 08:25:02 PM »
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SpectraView II supports ColorMunki spectros and NEC colorimeter as well as an i1Pro. basICColor supports an i1Pro only.


basICColor diaplay 4.1.22 supports the ColorMunki

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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2010, 09:13:30 PM »
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basICColor diaplay 4.1.22 supports the ColorMunki
That is great indeed. ColorMunki Photo/Design is a good and unexpensive spectrometer - Jann Lipka can buy it for SpectraView Profiler software.

P.S. I used v4.1.17. BTW look at http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=40885.0  
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2010, 12:01:14 AM »
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Thanks Probep and msbc !
Good news - I was able to downlaod/install SpectraView Profiler ( BY Basisiccollor ) and can confirm that Color munki is on the list of supported devices.

( i was on earlier version of the software )

One of those moments when you feel that LL forums is a great place !

BTW - ProBep - is precision of Color Munki  comparable to Eye 1 Pro device ?

Thanks You again for a great advice !!!
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2010, 12:24:44 AM »
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BTW - ProBep - is precision of Color Munki  comparable to Eye 1 Pro device ?
ColurMunki spectro is good.
Some months ago I've compared i1Pro vs. ColorMunki (and vs. Spyder3) for my NEC 2690WUXi2. See the table below.
BTW the color gamuts of NEC 3090 and NEC 2690v2 are equal.

P.S. My Spyder3 is very inaccurate.
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2010, 12:47:01 AM »
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Thanks again -
Max delta E 1.24 compared to Eye1 Pro  sounds very good .
( i need to replace my Monaco puck because max  delta E went to hell  in blues at around 8 compared to Eye1 Pro  )
Good advice - and I can  easily buy Color Munki in Stockholm .
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2010, 01:56:40 AM »
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Jann,

If you want to use basICColor with ColorMunki then don't install the s/w that comes with the Munki. Otherwise, this s/w will block access to the device by basICColor.

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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2010, 02:05:34 AM »
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Thanks Mark -
Sound very strange with device blocking on another application, good to know beforehand.
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2010, 11:34:16 AM »
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I think basICColor is better.
SpectraView II software can create ICC v.2 matrix-based profiles only. basICColor display software can create ICC v.2 and v.4, matrix-based and LUT-based profiles.

Probably at this time, a good move on the part of NEC. V4 profiles have produced issues with various software products, until we have full support (more true V4 profiles for working spaces), its questionable what a V4 profile brings to the party.

LUT based vs. Matrix profiles with a high bit display are a questionable issue.

In terms of the custom mated colorimeter, if you don’t own such an instrument, by all means get it. But when I compared the measurements from a non custom filtered i1D-2 to a Spectrophotometer, the differences in the white point I hit was CCT 500K or so. And considering that the value you hit doesn’t ensure a visual match, that you probably do need to alter the values to get a match, I don’t know this is a big deal. IOW, if you ask for CCT 5500K and the colorimeter is off 500K, its possible you’ll get a match and its possible you will not. You’ll have to alter the values until you get that visual match so you are seasoning to taste with either instrument. But again, if you don’t own a colorimeter, by all means, get the unit with the tuned filters. And hopefully in the near future, we’ll see newer hardware that allows the filter data to be updated (perhaps from the web!).
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2010, 11:57:58 PM »
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Andrew - So your suggestion for the best solution for European Spectraview would be

A. a purchase of Display Calibration Bundle with custom Sensor Colorimeter by NEC at Amazon  and running SpectraView II software ?

B. Creating v2 of ICC profile with Basiccolor ( is it possible ? ) and Color Munki (the cheapest spectrophotometer )
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2010, 11:17:37 AM »
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Andrew - So your suggestion for the best solution for European Spectraview would be

A. a purchase of Display Calibration Bundle with custom Sensor Colorimeter by NEC at Amazon  and running SpectraView II software ?
B. Creating v2 of ICC profile with Basiccolor ( is it possible ? ) and Color Munki (the cheapest spectrophotometer )

I can’t comment on Basicolor with the NEC, I’ve never used it for that task. I’d certainly stay away from V4 profiles for the time being. As for an instrument, the Munki will do a fine job, but like all affordable Spectrophotometers (actually in this mode, they become spectroradiometers), they are not as effective measuring dark colors as well as a colorimeter costing less (but they are multitaskers which is nice). If you have an instrument the software supports, use it. If you don’t have such an instrument and you only want to deal with the display, get the custom mated colorimeter.
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2010, 11:31:40 AM »
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Andrew -
Hmm -  very cryptic answer -  Does your it mean that in my position you would probably  go with Nec colorimiter with SpectraViewII software  (  bought for example amazon.com ) ?
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2010, 11:35:26 AM »
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Andrew -
Hmm -  very cryptic answer -  Does your it mean that in my position you would probably  go with Nec colorimiter with SpectraViewII software  (  bought for example amazon.com ) ?

If you don’t own an instrument, yes.
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2010, 12:59:59 PM »
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Thanks to msbc for posting this news, I've been waiting ages for the CM to be usable with Basicolor. One question though, how did you find and install the CM driver? I couldn't find a driver only package anywhere. In the end I installed the CM software (Win 7 64), and as you said it seems to block Basicolor. My fix was to switch off X_Rite Device Colormunki in SERVICES, then Basicolor saw the device.

In fact I've just finished profiling my NEC and the profile seems much better than with my previous Eye 1 Display, which recently seems to have been making profiles with a noticeable pink tinge. Maybe the Eye 1 has gone west...
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2010, 05:16:12 PM »
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Pete_G,

I'm using a Mac and installed the CM s/w package. After contacting basICColor because display would not find my CM they gave me instructions on what items to delete so the CM s/w wouldn't block the device. It's not a clean solution and requires deleting items from system folders.

I haven't done this yet (still using the CM s/w for monitor profiles) as it would mean I'd be unable to build printer profiles with the CM. Not sure what to do here.

If I knew basICColor profiles would be significantly better than the CM ones I might take the plunge ...

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