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« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2010, 05:54:17 AM »
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Hey...  the HyFi!  Sinar's camera was also the Hy6, so I think all three 'brands' are rolled in here...  The slight spelling variations are fine--I like it!  Cheesy
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« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2010, 08:41:30 AM »
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HyFi it is.

Good name.
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« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2010, 06:35:35 PM »
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As we can see, this camera is dead (he he, partly resucitated) and we're still discussing how to call it. Since the beginning this confusion bother me a lot despite I was a total 300% (but poor) fan of the system.
Incredible clever and amazing camera with the sorriest of marketing. Another lesson for history.
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« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2010, 09:03:58 PM »
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This has been thrashed over elsewhere, but FWIW, you can buy them new, and you can get state of the art backs for it.... so how dead is that? See:

http://www.bjp-online.com/british-journal-of-photography/news/1740760/franke-heideckes-ashes-rises-dhw-fototechnik
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« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2010, 03:16:55 AM »
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i just talked to a dealer in hamburg and he garanteed me that you can get all the aptus II backs in afi mount.
which contradicts everything i've ever been told. so if you can buy this camera new (where) aan mount the new afi backs on them, why does everyone think they're dead and why isn't anyone buying or using them?

yair!!! can you please clear this up?!?
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« Reply #45 on: October 28, 2010, 07:30:29 AM »
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All rather confusing.  From the article that was published in BJP:

The new Hy6 as redesigned by DHW Fototechnik looks like its predecessor and provides the same quality of images, but, says Hartje, “we’ve changed what’s inside. And, we have stock, so there is no waiting list – we know how many pieces we can sell each year and produce them accordingly.”

Hopefully somebody can clarify:

1) where can you buy the camera?  For sure not on their website...
2) is the camera being sold at B&H deadstock or is it already the newly redesigned Hy6?
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« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2010, 07:59:31 AM »
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AFAIK, you buy the camera from DHW, via contacting them through phone or email.

Reiner Shoenrock
DHW Fototechnik GmbH

Salzdahlumer Str. 196         
38126 Braunschweig         
Telefon (0531) 68 00 100      
Telefax (0531) 68 00 295
eMail r.schoenrock@dhw-fototechnik.de

read this also:
http://www.rolleiflexpages.com/Hy6.html
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« Reply #47 on: October 28, 2010, 09:47:46 AM »
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i just talked to a dealer in hamburg and he garanteed me that you can get all the aptus II backs in afi mount.
which contradicts everything i've ever been told. so if you can buy this camera new (where) aan mount the new afi backs on them, why does everyone think they're dead and why isn't anyone buying or using them?

yair!!! can you please clear this up?!?


The Aptus-II 12 will be available in AFi/ Hy6 mount in Q1/2011.
It is similar in design to the AFi-II 10 back (just called Aptus-II not AFi-II)
there are no other Leaf backs in this mount currently available

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« Reply #48 on: October 28, 2010, 09:59:16 AM »
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Ah...  So officially, Leaf doesn't make "AFi-II" backs any more.  This latest is called an "Aptus-II 12 in AFi mount" instead...  Confusing, but I think I get it...

Yair, will the Aptus-II 12 in AFi mount retain the tilt screen feature of the AFi-II 10?  This is an important ergonomic benefit of the AFi-II 10 backs, which, frankly, saves my back.
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« Reply #49 on: October 28, 2010, 10:09:41 AM »
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Yair, will the Aptus-II 12 in AFi mount retain the tilt screen feature of the AFi-II 10?  This is an important ergonomic benefit of the AFi-II 10 backs, which, frankly, saves my back.

Yes the back looks and works the same as the AFi-II 10

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« Reply #50 on: October 28, 2010, 11:04:58 AM »
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Hello Yair,

I just had my AFi firmware upgraded to 3.10 at Sinar.  This is slightly off-topic, but what happens if I connect it to Leaf Capture 11.2.4 - does it try to change the camera firmware (which would be very bad)?. Does it operate OK tethered to Capture One? Does Lightroom also support this camera?

Next, on topic: with the sensorflex technology on the Aptus-II 12, which formats can be chosen and how many megapixels are each choice?

I'm wondering if I would benefit from the upgrade from the 7 to the 12 (I do sometimes make large prints, up to 110 x 150 cm) and presumably there would be a noticeable difference, but how well would this difference show up in smaller prints, say 60 x 70cm? The file size might be so heavy as to slow everything else down and not really worthwhile for smaller size prints and books.

I'm interested to see the back when it reaches Jugend, but perhaps you can make some useful comments from your own experience.

Thanks, Neil

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« Reply #51 on: October 28, 2010, 02:08:03 PM »
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I just had my AFi firmware upgraded to 3.10 at Sinar.  This is slightly off-topic, but what happens if I connect it to Leaf Capture 11.2.4 - does it try to change the camera firmware (which would be very bad)?. Does it operate OK tethered to Capture One? Does Lightroom also support this camera?

I'm not Yair  Grin but have a AFI-II 7 just upgraded too. I did not connect the back to Leaf Capture ever (but would not expect any problem, as only the back is connected and not the body), but ARC (should be same converter as in Lightroom) still works and does not see any difference. Can't make more checks right now, as body is back to DHW (massive front focus on AF, manual OK)...

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« Reply #52 on: October 28, 2010, 03:29:18 PM »
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Hello Yair,

I just had my AFi firmware upgraded to 3.10 at Sinar.  This is slightly off-topic, but what happens if I connect it to Leaf Capture 11.2.4 - does it try to change the camera firmware (which would be very bad)?. Does it operate OK tethered to Capture One? Does Lightroom also support this camera?

Next, on topic: with the sensorflex technology on the Aptus-II 12, which formats can be chosen and how many megapixels are each choice?

I'm wondering if I would benefit from the upgrade from the 7 to the 12 (I do sometimes make large prints, up to 110 x 150 cm) and presumably there would be a noticeable difference, but how well would this difference show up in smaller prints, say 60 x 70cm? The file size might be so heavy as to slow everything else down and not really worthwhile for smaller size prints and books.

I'm interested to see the back when it reaches Jugend, but perhaps you can make some useful comments from your own experience.

Thanks, Neil



Hi Neil,

I've asked about the firmware so should have an answer shortly. My recommendation would be to use 11.3.6 which does not include any AFi related firmware so it will not upload anything to neither your back nor body.

Capture One PRO 5.2 (or DB of your back is AFi-II 7) supports your camera just like Leaf Capture does.

Lightroom compatibility is similar to Aptus-II 7 (or Aptus 75S if your back is AFi-7).

Regarding the 12; the native print size in 300dpi is 87cm x 66cm compared to 56cm x 42cm from your back so there will be a substantial difference in its ability to print large.

For 60x70 prints allot of it depends on the subject matter and amount of detail captured. Of course the 12 will capture quite a bit more so fine detail will be retained even when downscaling.
Colour rendition IMO has also seen some improvement with this new Dalsa sensor but as you already suggested you will check this yourself...

Hope this makes sense

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« Reply #53 on: October 28, 2010, 04:32:17 PM »
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Yair, thanks for the comments but what about the other question, "with the sensorflex technology on the Aptus-II 12, which formats can be chosen and how many megapixels are each choice?"

best, Neil
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« Reply #54 on: October 28, 2010, 05:23:43 PM »
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Yair, thanks for the comments but what about the other question, "with the sensorflex technology on the Aptus-II 12, which formats can be chosen and how many megapixels are each choice?"

best, Neil

Sorry missed that one (had a very long drive today...need to be up again in 4 hrs to fly to Italy...);

You can choose between 80MP 4:3 ratio or 60MP 1:1 (40mm x 40mm) crop

Yair
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« Reply #55 on: October 29, 2010, 01:19:40 AM »
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Yes the back looks and works the same as the AFi-II 10

Great!  Thanks, Yair.  That is great. Smiley  The tilting screen is important for me.

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And for those who've upgraded their HyFi's to 3.10, what differences (if any) have you found?
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« Reply #56 on: October 29, 2010, 08:03:02 AM »
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Hello,

I don't know what other differences there are, but the AF seems to be quicker and more positive with all lenses; in addition, there was always a delay between the time the camera booted up and when the AF lenses would function on AF: now it seems instantaneous. I complained many times about that delay to Leaf.

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« Reply #57 on: October 31, 2010, 05:29:33 AM »
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Hello Yair,

I just had my AFi firmware upgraded to 3.10 at Sinar.  This is slightly off-topic, but what happens if I connect it to Leaf Capture 11.2.4 - does it try to change the camera firmware (which would be very bad)?.

Hi Neil,

Checked it for you, LC will not downgrade the firmware on the body

cheers yair
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« Reply #58 on: October 31, 2010, 06:46:54 AM »
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Hi Steve, indeed this is what had been hinted at during Photokina :-)
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« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2010, 06:50:59 AM »
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Hi Kipling,

new lenses can of course still be bought from DHW Fototechnik in Braunschweig. Same for accessories etc. The full product line is being maintained, supported and further developed.

Regarding Aptus backs on Hy6 or AFi, these will not work given the different mount. The AFi variants of the Aptus backs are specifically designed for use with the AFi/Hy6 body.

Some further information is available on my web pages.

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