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« on: November 15, 2010, 03:03:08 PM »
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Canon USA just released plugins to support CS4 and CS5 on Win X64 platforms for the iPF6300 and iPF8300 printers.  To get to the right download area, you can use the links in the Latest Drivers section of the Wiki:

http://canonipf.wikispaces.com/Latest+Drivers%2C+Plugin%2C+Firmware+and+Utilities
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2010, 05:12:39 PM »
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Cool, been looking forward to this. I remember Canon said a while back they hoped to have the 64-bit plugin out in the fall, I'm glad to see the release didn't slip.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2010, 05:27:57 PM »
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Plenty of new features to check out.

I note the bit in the release notes that says: "Processing method of monochrome photograph printing has been changed to improve the representation of dark areas."

I was looking at aspects of B/W the other day, so I'll repeat some of the measurements when I get a chance:

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/reviews/printer/canon_ipf8300.html
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2010, 05:50:28 PM »
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I note the bit in the release notes that says: "Processing method of monochrome photograph printing has been changed to improve the representation of dark areas."
Hmm, guess I may need to reprofile. (I use QuadToneRIP to generate ICC profiles for the monochrome mode).
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2010, 06:21:26 PM »
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Nothing for us Mac users?
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2010, 07:55:23 PM »
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Actually, there is a plugin for Mac users too for the 6300/8300 (just checked; didn't occur to me before as this is a "foreign" system to me Smiley  Works for CS4/CS5 per the Canon web page.
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2010, 08:35:20 PM »
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Actually, there is a plugin for Mac users too for the 6300/8300 (just checked; didn't occur to me before as this is a "foreign" system to me Smiley  Works for CS4/CS5 per the Canon web page.

I’m running the plug-in but the version I have will not run 64-bit. So I have to run CS5 in 32 bit (or use it in CS4).
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2010, 08:54:47 PM »
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I’m running the plug-in but the version I have will not run 64-bit. So I have to run CS5 in 32 bit (or use it in CS4).

As I understand it this is not about running Photoshop in 64 bit mode with the ipf x300 plugin, it's about running under CS4 and CS5 that are installed on 64 bit versions of Windows.

Mac users aren't missing any kind of critical update here as far as I can tell.

Cheers, Joe
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2010, 09:23:50 PM »
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I’m running the plug-in but the version I have will not run 64-bit. So I have to run CS5 in 32 bit (or use it in CS4).

Details - iPF8300 imagePROGRAF Print Plug-In for Photoshop CS4/CS5 Ver.5.00 for Mac OS X v10.4-v10.6 from Canon Software and Driver page.

Modifications from Ver.4.10
a) 64-bit version Photoshop has been supported.

Is this not the case?
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2010, 11:02:48 PM »
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As I understand it this is not about running Photoshop in 64 bit mode with the ipf x300 plugin, it's about running under CS4 and CS5 that are installed on 64 bit versions of Windows.
Running the plug-in under 64-bit Windows has never been a problem, as long you were running 32-bit Photoshop.

With the new updates today, 64-bit Photoshop is supported. Since there was a Mac update today was well I would think it supports 64-bit Photoshop, but somebody with a Mac will have to try it out.
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2010, 03:15:15 AM »
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The plugin now installs just fine, offering install options of CS4 and CS5  - I dragged a copy into my CS3 plugins and it seemed to work fine there too.

It updates custom paper formats when starting

However, you can forget using the Adobe CMM in 64bit (works fine in 32 bit)

When attempting to set the Adobe CMM in 64 bit mode, it won't play



I should of course have read -all- the notes
"With this Print Plug-In release, Adobe CMM corresponding to Photoshop 64-bit edition is not being released. Check with Adobe Systems Inc. for the latest status"

So, anyone know if a Mac 64bit CMM is due from Adobe? (or if it's available, where I can find it)
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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2010, 06:50:17 AM »
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Which version of PS are you getting this message? You would think that CS5 would have a 64-bit version of the AdobeACE in its package.

As I recall there was a download from Adobe of a Adobe CMM, check your CMM folders in both Library/ColorSync and System/Library/ColorSync. The plugin may be picking up that instead of the AdobeACE in the CS5 package.

Can you choose other CMMs like Apple and ColorGear?
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2010, 07:34:05 AM »
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The CMM download is required for the plugin (you're prompted to do it when first using the plugin) since it does not use whatever is installed in Photoshop (I've CS3 and 5 on the machine I'm using)

It is correctly picked up and available in CS5 32 bit mode, but not in 64 bit. It's been placed in Library/ColorSync/CMMs by the Adobe installer

The Canon installation guide does actually say that it won't work for 64 bit, hence my question about availability of a Mac 64bit CMM from Adobe.

I've added more screen shots in my 8300 notes

In 64 bit mode the 'OS Standard CMM' is the only one listed, in 32 bit Adobe CMM is listed.
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2010, 08:43:16 AM »
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Right, the title of this thread should probably be "64bit compatible Canon iPF x300 Photoshop Plug-ins now available for CS4 and CS5 for Windows and Mac"

The fact that the AdobeCMM doesn't work in PS64 bit certainly doesn't bother me. Without it, the only thing we're missing is Black Point Compensation with the Relative Colorimetric intent. As more users are focused on using either Perceptual or AbsolCol I don't see this as a big deal. Maybe Adobe will update their CMM soon anyway?
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2010, 08:47:39 AM »
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Running the plug-in under 64-bit Windows has never been a problem, as long you were running 32-bit Photoshop.

With the new updates today, 64-bit Photoshop is supported. Since there was a Mac update today was well I would think it supports 64-bit Photoshop, but somebody with a Mac will have to try it out.

Thanks for the clarification Jeff!

Cheers, Joe
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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2010, 10:27:50 AM »
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The fact that the AdobeCMM doesn't work in PS64 bit certainly doesn't bother me. Without it, the only thing we're missing is Black Point Compensation with the Relative Colorimetric intent. As more users are focused on using either Perceptual or AbsolCol I don't see this as a big deal. Maybe Adobe will update their CMM soon anyway?
Do people really use AbsCol? For press proofing, maybe, but for finished prints?

RelCol w/BPC is my preferred printing method, especially for fiber-gloss papers where gamut is rarely an issue, as I feel it gives more accurate results than Percerptual. Plus I would prefer to use the same CMM as Adobe apps, rather than relying on the Windows CMM. So this is a deal breaker for me, guess I'll still be printing from 32-bit PS for the foreseeable future.
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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2010, 10:56:08 AM »
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Do people really use AbsCol? For press proofing, maybe, but for finished prints?
AbsCOl for press proofs only, Perceptual for fine art printing. Relative Colorimetric without BPC can also be useful for press proofing.

RelCol w/BPC is my preferred printing method, especially for fiber-gloss papers where gamut is rarely an issue, as I feel it gives more accurate results than Percerptual.
IMO, that represents a failure on the profile manufacturer's behalf. Excellent perceptual rendering will trump RelCol for fine art printing. The profile manufacturer plays a big part here and Monaco Profiler and it's upcoming successor have the best Perceptual rendering. Once you use it you'll never want to go back to RelCol again. Better "edge gamut" saturation without loss of detail, "middle gamut" colors stay the same, better gray balance, better shadow detail, etc.
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2010, 11:14:52 AM »
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IMO, that represents a failure on the profile manufacturer's behalf. Excellent perceptual rendering will trump RelCol for fine art printing.

I'm not sure how you can say that. ICC profiles don't know squat about images, or the relationship between solid colors (pixels) in context that produce what we see as an image. Only people who view them can. I've used a lot of different profiles built using differing perceptual mapping, those I've built and those others have built. I simply have to soft proof each image and see how the relationship of the intent affects the image before I pick a RI. FWIW, I find I often prefer the RelCol intent. But I have to toggle between it and Perceptual to make such a judgement call.
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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2010, 11:18:05 AM »
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Having tested all kinds of new profiles I can agree with Scott on the use of perceptual.

I did however have an image the other day that I felt better matched the look i was after with relcol +BPC  ...this with a profile that normally gives its best for perceptual.

Hopefully, we'll be able to discuss the details of this before too much longer... ;-)
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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2010, 11:25:19 AM »
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Just finished a look at how the B/W print mode has changed - with a paper I measured the other day the B/W mode seems to print in a more linear manner with the new plugin, although very deep blacks are crunched a bit.

Not meant as a detailed quantitative analysis - just to satisfy myself that B/W print output will look slightly different :-)

Some numbers on my 8300 page
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