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Ellis Vener
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« on: January 24, 2011, 02:21:55 PM »
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We are looking to use Canson Rag Photographique 310gsm  paper for a project. If you have had positive or negative experience I would appreciate feedback. Will be printing with a Canon iPF6300 imagePROGRAF (12 color pigment) printer and we make our own profiles.
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2011, 03:03:44 PM »
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I don't like matte papers, however for certain images it has to be and I find Canson Rag Photographique 310gsm to be the best matte paper that I have ever used.  I have made many prints with this paper and am happy with all of them.  There are so many papers out there and it's truly a personal choice, I was truly shocked that I liked this paper as much as I do.  The colors are great and B&W is wonderful.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2011, 03:21:52 PM »
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Thanks! I'm not a matte paper fan either but my client liked it and the colors i nthe samples I've seen looked really good.
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2011, 03:50:27 PM »
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I was doing an art reproduction (first time) and it had to be matte, I showed my client about 10 different matte papers with the image printed and it was a no-contest, she told me I wasted my time and money with the other papers that it was so obvious which one.  There are people on this forum that have a lot more experience than I do and have tested probably 1000 papers, you might get a better recommendation.  I believe Neile loves the Moab Somerset Museum Rag and he'll probably chime in, but I haven't used it yet.  It might be even better; those other guys will know.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2011, 04:05:57 PM »
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The Moab Somerset Museum Rag was one of the papers we looked at but both the client and I liked the look and feel of the Canson more. I ordered a 50' x 24" roll from http://www.booksmartstudio and it should be here Wednesday. In the mean time I'll pick up an 8x11" box and start profiling tomorrow.
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2011, 04:17:35 PM »
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A beautiful paper. Very neutral white and high brightness, being a non-oba cotton paper.
Smooth as a baby skin  Smiley
Customers usually picks it among other papers, esp. for the pure and clean colors it prints.

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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2011, 04:58:52 PM »
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I have been thinking of testing this sample pack. Is the one you are talking about included in it? Oops, forgot the link, sorry.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/687289-REG/Canson_Infinity_000_03445_Discovery_Pack_8_5_x.html
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2011, 05:45:41 PM »
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I have been thinking of testing this sample pack. Is the one you are talking about included in it? Oops, forgot the link, sorry.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/687289-REG/Canson_Infinity_000_03445_Discovery_Pack_8_5_x.html

That sample pack includes everything except for the Canson Rag Photographique 310gsm, but some of those others are great papers which I use often.

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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2011, 05:56:26 PM »
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Thank you. I thought it was missing that one but I just wanted to be sure.
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2011, 06:04:51 PM »
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Since you and I are exploring the same paper and use the same printer, I am interested in knowing how your profiles turn out and which profiling system you use- if you don't mind sharing the info. Thanks.
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2011, 07:46:23 PM »
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@jonathanRussell: I have three  profile building toolsets, two from X-rite: The ColorMunki, and Profile Maker Pro 5 used with an i1 Pro photospectrometer.  Bill Atkinson's 1728 patch target is my standard when using PMP5; and the

DataColor Spyder 3 Print SR kit. Mostly I use the first two.

I first follow Scott Martin's advice and test procedure to kifind what is the ideal media selection for a paper/ink/pritner combination. See  "Onsight Media Selection Image " at  http://www.on-sight.com/downloads/

and I do a before and after check with the "Onsight Color Evaluation Image" from the same site.

My "getting serious about printing" workflow is very heavily based on  the Fine Art Digital Workflow DVD set by John Paul Caponigro and Mac Holbert: http://www.johnpaulcaponigro.com/store/dvd-fine-art-workflow.php with large dollops of what I have learned from Katrin Eismann as well.
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2011, 08:30:15 PM »
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The Canson Rag is a nice paper if you want a heavy, ultrasmooth matte paper with no OBA's that still has a really nice paper white. Gamut and DMax are not quite as good as Hahn Photo Rag using the Lucia EX inks, but pretty close. I prefer the very slight texture of Photo Rag, but if you want something really smooth I think it would be hard to go wrong with the Canson paper.

Another worth considering would be the Epson Hot Press but I haven't tried it yet.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2011, 09:35:08 PM »
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"Hahn Photo Rag" : One of my favorite papers and one of the ones I recommended and we looked at. Not sure if it is a non-OBA paper and i nthe end the Cason was the one we all agreed had the best overall characteristics for the project.
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2011, 09:52:07 PM »
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A bit of a segue, but I was recently pointed towards the Canson brand for their dual-surface paper.

I am wondering about recommendations; a superior quality heavyweight dual paper with similar properties brightness/surface/dynamic range as the Canson?

I've been using the MOAB lasal 235gsm and am looking for a possible replacement, in this application longevity is irrelivant, I want a more 'commercial' aesthetic to the paper, as opposed to a creamy fine art toothy look.

It seems the 235gsm and textured finish is a limiter in dual surface.

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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2011, 11:40:50 PM »
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Rag Photographique is a really sharp matte paper and as mentioned earlier, it relatively neutral. I've had very good results with it. It's one of my standard papers.

I just picked up some Epson Hot Press Natural. I wanted a smooth paper that was a bit warmer than Rag Photographique for portrait prints. Looks promising so far.

I just measured the Lab values of both in case you're interested. . .

Canson Rag Photographique  L* 97.3, a* 0.23, b* 1.04
Epson Hot Press Natural  L* 96.5, a* 0.06, b* 2.61

Terry.
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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2011, 02:44:48 AM »
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"Hahn Photo Rag" : One of my favorite papers and one of the ones I recommended and we looked at. Not sure if it is a non-OBA paper and i nthe end the Cason was the one we all agreed had the best overall characteristics for the project.

Small amount of FBAs throughout coating and base to lift its color to neutral. Holds its paper white good though in Aardenburg testing.


met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Dinkla

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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2011, 10:30:54 AM »
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I recommend Canson Rag Photographique to all my clients who want a bright paper with no brightening agents. Very nearly as bright as Photo Rag and a smoother surface. My "go to" paper for images where a textured surface is not appropriate (in a matte finish.)
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2011, 10:47:00 AM »
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Given all of these raves, I am certainly looking forward to working with it. Thanks everyone.
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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2011, 03:58:29 AM »
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CRP was developed to challenge HPR. I find it smoother with  less of the repetitive machine like texture of HPR. Here, on an Epson 9900 we get about 10% better gamut and a slightly higher DMax on the Canson paper. It's not as smooth as some other papers  such as Magnani and the old Lana but the coatings are far better. The coatings are the same or very similar to other Arjo- Wiggins papers. Personally I prefer the "presence" of the mould-made papers such as Arches Velin Museum Rag and most of our clients who used Hahnemuhle PR a few years ago have switched to Velin with about 30% to Rag Photographique. We have almost no call for gloss here but use some Museo Silver Rag. Hahnemuhle PR does have some optical brighteners but despite comments from Wilhelm preclude it's use for many clients including National Galleries and museums. Under gallery (non-UV) lighting CRP has a brighter white than HPR. Under domestic conditions , with daylight or non-filtered fluoros, HPR is slightly brighter.
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Brian Gilkes PhD
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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2011, 03:12:42 PM »
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The Canson Rag Photographique 310 is turning out to be quite a pleasing paper with the IPF6300 imagePROFGRAF.  The best results are coming about using a profile made with the Xrite Colormunki and the printer and print driver set to Special 8.  My single complaint is that being a matte paper the blacks don't "pop" as much as they would witha gloss paper.  I am printing from Photoshop CS5 and using PixelGenius Photokit Sharpener 2
s Custom Sharpener set to dimensional sharpening and Output Sharpener set for matte paper.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread.
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Ellis Vener
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