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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2011, 08:01:17 AM »
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Thanks Mark.  I was trying to keep the price of both options around $2000, that is why for the SV Reference monitor I had to drop down to 24".

Is this the correct colorimeter?   If so I can get it here, which is wonderful. Smiley
http://www.internet.ch/product_info.php?products_id=1506709&ad=Toppreise&language=en

So in the interest of comparing apples to apples, the SV Ref 271 would be chf2377 + 276 = chf2653.  ouch.  Worth every penny?  Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2011, 08:08:25 AM »
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Thanks Mark.  I was trying to keep the price of both options around $2000, that is why for the SV Reference monitor I had to drop down to 24".

Is this the correct colorimeter?   If so I can get it here, which is wonderful. Smiley
http://www.internet.ch/product_info.php?products_id=1506709&ad=Toppreise&language=en

So in the interest of comparing apples to apples, the SV Ref 271 would be chf2377 + 276 = chf2653.  ouch.  Worth every penny?  Smiley

In the US the i1 Display2 is about 75 dollars cheaper, but by the time it ships and you pay Swiss customs etc, you are probably back to the Swiss price. But check the specs to see whether it will work with the display - the NEC PA series does not show in the Specs on the B&H website: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/465156-REG/X_Rite_EODIS2_i1Display_2_Colorimeter_Monitor.html. I'm using the NEC branded version of this colorimeter, which of course does work with their display. I would defer to others who have tried the regular X-Rite i1Display2 with the PA series displays to say whether this combination really works. I don't see why it shouldn't, but then again, I don't see everything, and I wouldn't like to steer you into a decision I am not completely certain about.
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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2011, 08:18:25 AM »
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So, if I understand correctly,
.......(bundled for US$299 from the NEC store)
That may be a problem. I don't think the US NEC store will ship to non-US destinations. However you might find a big US retailer like B+H will.

I guess the real issue here is whether the small difference in performance between the Spectraview specification and the calibrated PA specification is important to you.

I've not read any comparisons between these two options myself, but I suspect the differences are very small indeed and probably not worth bothering with. The extra screen size may be far more useful in the longer term.

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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2011, 08:26:00 AM »
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Mark - I'm worried now that the xrite i1Display 2 colorimeter won't work with the PA271w screen.  As you say, it's not listed as a compatible line on their website.

http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?ID=788&Action=Specifications

Does that mean I would have to have the NEC version sent out from the states??  What are all the other NEC PA series owners in Europe using to calibrate their monitors??

I guess the real issue here is whether the small difference in performance between the Spectraview specification and the calibrated PA specification is important to you.
I wish I knew the answer to this myself.  If I did, the decision would surely be easier. Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2011, 09:09:54 AM »
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So after a lot of thought, I think I will buy the PA271w here and order from B&H the NEC colorimeter and Spectraview II software.

Now I think I better go ahead and order it before I have a chance to think anymore about it and change my mind!

Thank you very, very much for sharing your knowledge and advice to everyone who commented in this thread. Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2011, 10:40:07 AM »
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Probably too late, but I have a Spectraview Reference 2690 (Euro version) and calibrate it with the standard i1D2. I get very, very good validation on my calibration with this puck. By comparison, a Spyder3 Elite produces poor validations and a greenish tinge.
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« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2011, 11:56:21 AM »
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So after a lot of thought, I think I will buy the PA271w here and order from B&H the NEC colorimeter and Spectraview II software.

Now I think I better go ahead and order it before I have a chance to think anymore about it and change my mind!

Thank you very, very much for sharing your knowledge and advice to everyone who commented in this thread. Smiley

Athena - before you do that, i recommend you insure that the display they ship to Europe will work with the colorimeter and Spectraview software they supply in the USA. It sounds as if it should be no problem, but it is always best to know from someone who has tried this combination (European version display with American version calibration/profiling) that the two will play well together.
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« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2011, 12:05:25 PM »
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It's not too late yet.  I had to run some errands and decided to let it settle in my brain for awhile (time to second guess myself?!)

If you scroll down to the second last post in this thread it's from a guy who did exactly what I have in mind.  Seems to be working splendidly for him. 

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1004&message=36244914&changemode=1

I'll give myself the evening to decide if I want to shell out that 800 or so more for the reference version.  I really do appreciate everyones help.  More than I can express with typed letters.

~A

ps:  I hope it's not against rules to link to a different forum.  If so I am very sorry.  No harm intended.

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« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2011, 01:31:37 AM »
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Athena,

You could consider buying the PA271W with the SpectraViewII Colorimeter and Software directly from B & H who have a special deal available at present of $1,409.95 US. You have to add the item to the cart to see the special price. With freight to Switzerland the total is $1667.90 US. I don't know what custom charges you'd face at your end, however it would be worth checking out.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?ci=6559&N=4294542210+4291324108+4294949062

I did this about a month back and i'm very pleased with the monitor. The service from B & H was 1st class.

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« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2011, 04:48:20 AM »
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Athena,

You could consider buying the PA271W with the SpectraViewII Colorimeter and Software directly from B & H who have a special deal available at present of $1,409.95 US. You have to add the item to the cart to see the special price. With freight to Switzerland the total is $1667.90 US. I don't know what custom charges you'd face at your end, however it would be worth checking out.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?ci=6559&N=4294542210+4291324108+4294949062

I did this about a month back and i'm very pleased with the monitor. The service from B & H was 1st class.



Thank you for this suggestion.  I went ahead last night and ordered the monitor locally and the Spectraview II kit from B&H.  My concern about ordering the monitor from overseas was the warranty.  I'll be sure to report back about how it all works together once I get everything.

Actually the likelihood is that I'll be back here reading through everything to figure out the best way to get it perfectly calibrated.  I am hoping it will be easier my expectations.  Fingers crossed.

Thank you again to everyone for your wonderful advice and suggestions.

xx~A
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« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2011, 08:32:43 AM »
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Athena - before you do that, i recommend you insure that the display they ship to Europe will work with the colorimeter and Spectraview software they supply in the USA. It sounds as if it should be no problem, but it is always best to know from someone who has tried this combination (European version display with American version calibration/profiling) that the two will play well together.

Athena, further on this, please check the final pages of this thread, where some evidence of what works in Europe is presented: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=42040.100
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« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2011, 10:15:40 AM »
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Thanks! Smiley  I just had a read through it and subscribed to it.
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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2011, 02:59:05 AM »
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Yesterday the colorimeter and software arrived from B&H and this morning the monitor has arrived.

So far I have it on the desk, but not connected to anything.  I was amazed at how heavy it is!
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« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2011, 01:59:41 PM »
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Yes.
Probably the best of the colorimeter choices, but from what I've read not exactly the same as the NEC puck.
Standard i1 Display is not the best option for wide gamut display. I have a lot of examples this model generate really ugly profiles and makes wrong calibration for PA models.

By the way, SpectraView II software can makes hardware calibration for any type of European NEC PA models. I mean SpectraView model and cheaper one.
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« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2011, 01:06:30 AM »
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Standard i1 Display is not the best option for wide gamut display.
What would you consider better ?
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« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2011, 09:17:09 AM »
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best would be a tuned i1D2 (ie. the NEC branded version) or a ColorMunki
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« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2011, 10:03:03 AM »
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Question: Is a "Tuned NEC i1d2 colorimeter" suitable for calibrating/profiling non NEC monitors? If it is, would you use the Display 3 or the Spectraview software on the non NEC monitor?

I will be purchasing an NEC PA271 with the puck and Spectraview. If I can use the NEC puck on other monitors I plan to donate my GMB i1d2 to the local camera club.
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« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2011, 10:46:58 AM »
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As I understand it, the NEC puck has two modes, like other eye1 pucks.  The first is for regular LCDs and the second is reserved for wide gamut NEC displays.  I think they've replaced the CRT mode with their NEC display one.  So you should be able to calibrate other displays with the puck.  I don't know how it would fare with non-NEC wide gamut displays though.

I'm also pretty sure that you can't use the Spectraview software with non-NEC displays.  I downloaded Eye-One Match and it worked with the puck on my Dell display at work.
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« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2011, 11:14:33 AM »
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Thank you for the response. I guess the best answer is to give it a try.
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