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« on: February 14, 2011, 02:33:05 PM »
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Down at TOP website they have a 2 print offer by Charles Cramer. I quote: "Both of these prints are made on Canson Platine Fibre Rag paper on an Epson 11880 using Epson UltraChrome K3 inks. Canson Platine is 100% cotton, with no optical brighteners. The white is almost perfectly neutral, yet very bright. It gives an excellent Dmax and the surface is lovely, with minimal gloss differential"
Minimal Gloss Differential.- Should these prints be made with Photo black despite they are 100% cotton? I never seen any gloss differential on cotton paper which is usually being printed with matte black.
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2011, 02:37:10 PM »
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Canson Platine Fiber Rag is not a mat paper, but a smooth glossy paper, similar to an air dried glossy silver gelatin paper.
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2011, 05:07:28 PM »
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And to add, the gloss coating is on a cotton rag paper base.

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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2011, 05:16:36 PM »
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Interesting. I assumed wrongly that all cotton rag papers were matte and that all glossy papers had some sort of ceramic coating. So, you print with photo-black ink with this paper, right?
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2011, 05:18:42 PM »
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Interesting. I assumed wrongly that all cotton rag papers were matte and that all glossy papers had some sort of ceramic coating. So, you print with photo-black ink with this paper, right?
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Yes you do and it is stunning.
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2011, 05:19:58 PM »
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And therein lies the rub. We have forever been told that descriptions that state things like "100% cotton" and "Fibre Rag" are terms synonymous with Matte Black ink. And terms like "Photo" and "Glossy" use Photo Black. Why can't the people that market this stuff, LABEL it as to which ink is recommended for the type of paper that it is. A simple "For best results it is recommended that Photo Black(or Matte Black) ink be used for this paper". I had been looking at samples of the Canson line at a local dealer(the ONLY dealer locally that actually has a WIDE variety to look at and compare side by side) but the 100% cotton and Rag convinced me that I could not use it since I use PK. Unfortunately, the only person that I could ask at the time was someone(not his area of expertise) that didn't know if the Platine FR was PK or MK compatible.
Thank you Kirk for your answer! Next time I'm by that store(no one else in town carries it) I'll take another close look at the Canson line.
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2011, 06:19:37 PM »
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Thanks so much for your answers.
Now that we're here I'd love to hear some of your personal thoughts about this paper. Three years ago, I found Harman FbAl and loved it. Now, I'm not so sure. The extreme glossy surface conceals (most) differential but the hi-sheen can be very disturbing on very dark parts in the print and this can even happen under some gallery conditions.
So, now I'm looking for the proverbial air-dry glossy fiber darkroom print look once again.
I bet most here have read these:http://www.wyofoto.com/Canson_Platine_review.html
The Museo Silver Rag sounds enticing too.
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2011, 07:07:51 PM »
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I found the Canson after Harmon changed the FB AI. At this point I believe the Canson is better than the original Harmon was and the Canson has no OB,s. I haven't tried the Museo Silver rag.
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2011, 07:21:52 PM »
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Tried the Crane and found it did have some gloss differential, which was okay until I found Harman. Then I had all the problems with the Harman which have been well documented on this forum. Have been very happy with Hahnemuhle PhotoRag Baryta. Because I strive for excellence in bw printing I will certainly give the Canson a try if only because the perfect inkjet paper hasn't been manufactured (yet!).
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2011, 09:52:55 PM »
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In my experience, Canson Platine Fiber Rag and Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Baryta are very similar papers in look, feel and performance. There are slight differences in surface texture, but they're close enough to each other that if you like/dislike one you'll probably feel the same about the other. IMHO they're far closer to each other than to any other papers I've tested. Both have a very white paper base for being OBA free, and I can't say that I've noticed any difference between the two in gloss differential (though this isn't something I've looked closely for, since in my experience its rarely if ever a problem with the Canon inks and today's semi-gloss papers).

The one difference in performance is that the Hahnemuhle paper has a slightly better DMax, which also allows it to have better gamut in the darker tones for color prints. This is pretty much my only reason for having a preference for the Hanemuhle Paper despite its slightly higher price; since darker, saturated colors reproduce a little better. But both papers are really nice. In the end my final preference may come down to seeing how permanence ratings for these two papers come out at AA&I (I've already submitted samples of Photo Rag Baryta for testing, and will probably submit samples of the Canson if somebody doesn't beat me to it).

BTW my experience with these papers is using a Canon 6300 with the Lucia EX inkset, I suppose it's possible that results could be slightly different with other inksets.
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2011, 02:54:37 PM »
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And therein lies the rub. We have forever been told that descriptions that state things like "100% cotton" and "Fibre Rag" are terms synonymous with Matte Black ink. And terms like "Photo" and "Glossy" use Photo Black. Why can't the people that market this stuff, LABEL it as to which ink is recommended for the type of paper that it is. A simple "For best results it is recommended that Photo Black(or Matte Black) ink be used for this paper". I had been looking at samples of the Canson line at a local dealer(the ONLY dealer locally that actually has a WIDE variety to look at and compare side by side) but the 100% cotton and Rag convinced me that I could not use it since I use PK. Unfortunately, the only person that I could ask at the time was someone(not his area of expertise) that didn't know if the Platine FR was PK or MK compatible.
Thank you Kirk for your answer! Next time I'm by that store(no one else in town carries it) I'll take another close look at the Canson line.

A quick trip to Canson's site, choose your printer, for each paper; in the "Read instructions", scroll down and you'll have all media settings.
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2011, 04:45:01 PM »
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A quick trip to Canson's site, choose your printer, for each paper; in the "Read instructions", scroll down and you'll have all media settings.
/Sven

Thank you for that info! However not all suppliers have this info on their sites, and when you're in a store comparing different papers, you generally don't have the web at your fingertips. All I would like to see is something on the packaging stating what ink(Pk/Mk) would be appropriate.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2011, 04:51:05 PM »
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The package says glossy finish which means PK ink to anyone who has done any printing at all. Right?
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2011, 09:05:02 AM »
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Hadn't noticed since I saw 100% cotton rag on the package and moved on to look at other papers. Only had a short time the one time I was at the store but hope to be able to go there today.
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