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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2011, 06:38:51 PM »
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... I figure there must be a secret suggestion box somewhere at Apple HQ so I can drop a note letting Mr. Job's know my requirements are right along the lines of the mainstream PC user. 

And while you are at it, stop by Leica HQ and drop a note with your requirements for M9 to have a Smile Trigger and Art Modes. Wink
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« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2011, 09:59:17 PM »
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Windows  Angry


Hehe....Annnddddd we're off!

But seriously, folks - I wouldn't know what to do with an Apple if it fell out of a tree and hit me on the head.

Oh, and +1 for NOD32...
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« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2011, 10:02:56 PM »
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Hehe....Annnddddd we're off!

Ya know...at some point it might be useful to get back to something REMOTELY on topic for the thread...otherwise you guys are just masturbating.
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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2011, 12:20:31 AM »
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And while you are at it, stop by Leica HQ and drop a note with your requirements for M9 to have a Smile Trigger and Art Modes. Wink
Ya know, not long ago Sony marketed a sort of 'robot photographer', a device you could set your camera in, and then set the entire setup in the middle of a party or event.  It would rotate around searching for smiles and make captures automatically.

It just worked!   Grin
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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2011, 04:20:48 AM »
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Hehe....Annnddddd we're off!

But seriously, folks - I wouldn't know what to do with an Apple if it fell out of a tree and hit me on the head.

Oh, and +1 for NOD32...
It just brings home the gravity of the situation.   Wink
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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2011, 07:40:47 AM »
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Ya know...at some point it might be useful to get back to something REMOTELY on topic for the thread...otherwise you guys are just masturbating.
It was Michael who first raised the Windows issue; you might ask him why he felt the compulsion to pull the string on this trap!
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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2011, 09:00:35 AM »
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It was Michael who first raised the Windows issue; you might ask him why he felt the compulsion to pull the string on this trap!
+1.

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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2011, 11:49:26 AM »
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Ya know...at some point it might be useful to get back to something REMOTELY on topic for the thread...otherwise you guys are just masturbating.

Heeey! All work and no play!? Not Fair! Wink

On a more serious note, and to bring the discussion back to the topic, it would be interesting to know more about: "... [this release] also address a number of issues reported via customer feedback."
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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2011, 11:31:26 PM »
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>>Quote from: Schewe on March 11, 2011, 10:02:56 PM
Ya know...at some point it might be useful to get back to something REMOTELY on topic for the thread...otherwise you guys are just masturbating.<<

Quit knocking my hobbies!
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« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2011, 11:53:21 PM »
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Ya know...at some point it might be useful to get back to something REMOTELY on topic for the thread...otherwise you guys are just masturbating.


All good natured I'm sure.

Personally the timing is right for me to find such banter useful.  I've decided to learn Snow Dwarf and I'm currently debating the pros and cons of the OS, MBP's vs. the competition, and even creating a Hackintosh for learning purposes.

It's not that Win7 doesn't meet my needs, it does.  And in ways I don't think Mac can, simply because the choices aren't there.  It's just that a good number of my clients use Mac's and I'm tired of being less than knowledgeable on the subject.  I'd be much more comfortable with a working knowledge of the OS and system.

And who knows, perhaps with that knowledge change will occur.  I doubt it, but I'm open to the possibility.
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« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2011, 01:04:57 AM »
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Steve, you are about where I was two years ago when I first bought a 13" MB just so I could be genuinely informed about both platforms. I found that I quite enjoyed being 'platform agnostic' and I enjoy both for their strengths. I now have a MBP 15" i7 and find it to be a superb laptop for the road and for presenting seminars. Its also, shock, good value as a laptop. I wish I could say the same about the Mac Pro, which is why I have a W7 box as my main machine.

I think you too will enjoy using both platforms.
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« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2011, 05:23:11 AM »
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Just played with the RC version it on my mb-13" and it appears to be a bit faster, snappier. Will do similar testing on my W7 platform. I too am system-agnostic and glad that LR is available on both.

Anyone any idea on the other fixes and improvements made? The few things listed are new to me, so thusfar not experienced as an issue.
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« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2011, 05:45:34 AM »
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Steve, you are about where I was two years ago when I first bought a 13" MB just so I could be genuinely informed about both platforms. I found that I quite enjoyed being 'platform agnostic' and I enjoy both for their strengths. I now have a MBP 15" i7 and find it to be a superb laptop for the road and for presenting seminars. Its also, shock, good value as a laptop. I wish I could say the same about the Mac Pro, which is why I have a W7 box as my main machine.

I think you too will enjoy using both platforms.

And an almost identical experience here. A MBP 15" which is excellent, and a new Win7 64 as my main machine. It never hurts to be informed when there are so many iBores around. It's also one of LR's great strengths that it doesn't force you to buy one brand of computer.

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« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2011, 09:45:35 AM »
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Steve, you are about where I was two years ago when I first bought a 13" MB just so I could be genuinely informed about both platforms. I found that I quite enjoyed being 'platform agnostic' and I enjoy both for their strengths. I now have a MBP 15" i7 and find it to be a superb laptop for the road and for presenting seminars. Its also, shock, good value as a laptop. I wish I could say the same about the Mac Pro, which is why I have a W7 box as my main machine.

I think you too will enjoy using both platforms.
Thanks for the response Nick.  I'll get there.  Maybe.  Every time I get an itch to try Mac I start researching a bit and then find PC hardware more suited to my needs.  As an example:  Last year I wanted a small field expedient computer 'device' to use for time lapse, focus bracketing, very long exposures, and exposure bracketing automation.  It also needed to be fairly weather proof.  Immediately the Ipad came to mind.  After learning it didn't support any of the software I needed, the actual computing power was quite low, to expand the storage was Apple only, spare batteries weren't possible (a must for what I was planning).. I then started looking at netbooks and eventually ended up with my x201s Lenovo.  I didn't look at cost so much, but at function, power, size, weight, and weather resistance.  Netbooks ranged from 2.6-3 pounds.  My x201s was 2.4 pounds.  Sure, it cost a lot more, but my priorities were function/fit to my tasks, not price.

Another example:  3 years ago I ordered both a 17" MBP and a 17" Dell Precision Workstation.  I ran them side by side for over two weeks and sent the Mac back.  It's screen and graphics card weren't in the same league. 

Now.. I think the MBP 15 and 17" models have improved quite a bit.. very competitive from a hardware point of view.  In a few months I'll be replacing my 17" Dell Precision Workstation and once again I'll compare it to the MBP 17".. and maybe a Lenovo as I've been impressed with them lately. The W series are photographer centric.

My wife was hinting at me replacing her 12" laptop.. a base Pentium M machine she's had for years.  Mac doesn't seem to have anything in 12 inches.. and she wants 12 inches.

I'm very interested in setting up an additional SSD on my main PC workstation to run Snow Dwarf from a Hackintosh config.  Mac makes a nice large external trackpad so I could get the full experience.  Swapping in one SSD for PC work, another for Mac work.. sounds ideal.  I need to investigate this more.

Sorry for the verbosity.. but I wanted to show where my mind is on this.  I think a lot of this comes down to Mac offering very little choice, and I'm the kind of person who likes to closely tailor my equipment for my needs and I don't mind spending a bit more to do it.
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« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2011, 11:19:00 AM »
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Now.. I think the MBP 15 and 17" models have improved quite a bit.. very competitive from a hardware point of view.  In a few months I'll be replacing my 17" Dell Precision Workstation and once again I'll compare it to the MBP 17".. and maybe a Lenovo as I've been impressed with them lately. The W series are photographer centric.

FWIW, I've heard the screen on the Dell Precision M6500 is quite good. It ain't cheap, but the specs are impressive.

Cheers,
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« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2011, 11:44:48 AM »
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FWIW, I've heard the screen on the Dell Precision M6500 is quite good. It ain't cheap, but the specs are impressive.

Cheers,
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The screen on my current M6300 was quite good as well.  Unfortunately right after the 3 year warranty period the video card went bad.. Nvidia has a class action, settled, agreed to pay, arranged shipping, and are now appealing..

I know this isn't Dell.. it's Nvidia.. And I think Apple is included in this class action as well.  The only place I can find a replacement video card wants $940.. it's a nice card but the entire machine working fine isn't worth $940 at this point.  Eventually they'll repair it (hopefully) and I'll use it for something.. but the way Dell handled it, with me being a long time customer of theirs for over 15 years, over 7 units on their current active list, and I was told they couldn't help me.  Maybe because of the class action their hands were tied.  All the major leading brands use the components from the same companies.  At this level, what makes one company stand out over the other, is the degree of service and willingness to keep a relationship going, especially after the purchase.  After 15 years and over 15 machines (for family as well as my own use) Dell didn't see the value in keeping me as a customer.  Maybe no company would have, but maybe it's time to give another company a chance.
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« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2011, 01:28:18 PM »
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The screen on my current M6300 was quite good as well.  Unfortunately right after the 3 year warranty period the video card went bad.. Nvidia has a class action, settled, agreed to pay, arranged shipping, and are now appealing..

 At this level, what makes one company stand out over the other, is the degree of service and willingness to keep a relationship going, especially after the purchase.  After 15 years and over 15 machines (for family as well as my own use) Dell didn't see the value in keeping me as a customer.  Maybe no company would have, but maybe it's time to give another company a chance.
Video cards can be problematic for another reason.  Most all cards are made by third parties who just purchase the core chipset from Nvidia or AMD (mfr of ATI) and problems can come up that are not the fault of the chip maker.  I've always specified ATI chipsets for our computers because of occasional compatibility problems with Nvidia.
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« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2011, 02:18:02 PM »
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Video cards can be problematic for another reason.  Most all cards are made by third parties who just purchase the core chipset from Nvidia or AMD (mfr of ATI) and problems can come up that are not the fault of the chip maker.  I've always specified ATI chipsets for our computers because of occasional compatibility problems with Nvidia.
I don't know, but I suspect.. I've had about 20-25 ATI boards through my shop over the last 18 months, many of them the same exact series but from different manufacturers.  Removing the coolers and comparing them they often seem to be built on the same PC boards, same voltage regulators, same caps, same ports.. everything except the coolers and firmware seems to be the same.  I've even transferred one set of firmware from a 5970 card to three other manufacturers 5970's.. and according to the info readers they all read as the same card, same manufacturer, etc..  I suspect ATI has a company which puts together the chipsets and boards.. then lets the different vendors (gigabyte, asus, HIS, etc) write their own firmware and specify their own coolers and port configurations.  A guess, but it sure looks that way.

I also stopped using Nvidia for several years, except for their Quattro workstation cards as they've remained excellent.  Their drivers were at issue more than their hardware.  But before that ATI cycled through similar problems.  Today they both seem okay, we're lucky to have so many good choices.  For what we do I still give the nod to ATI at the consumer desktop level, but to Nvidia at the workstation level.. their Quattro cards really outperform their ATI counterparts.
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« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2011, 02:41:40 PM »
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On a more serious note, and to bring the discussion back to the topic, it would be interesting to know more about: "... [this release] also address a number of issues reported via customer feedback."

couple of examples :

1) Panasonic GH2 raw files demosaicking maze issue was solved (apparently, at least on the raw file used as an example) = http://forums.adobe.com/thread/782122

2) Sigma raw files NR issues were not solved = http://forums.adobe.com/thread/791442  : that ACR/LR are using 1) old style NR 2) you can't switch NR off 3) Adobe DNG converter applies NR during .X3F to .DNG conversion thus destroying the original raw data completely (one more nail into the coffin of people who are suggesting to use DNG as archival format).
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« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2011, 04:15:34 PM »
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One more tedious nitpicking comment?
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