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Nino Loss
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« on: August 05, 2011, 08:28:25 AM »
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Can anyone tell me the differences between the new i1 Publisher software and ProfileMaker, especially regarding the creation of camera ICC profiles. I read but do not get the info.

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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2011, 08:36:29 AM »
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i1Profiler cannot create camera profiles.
(and if you're on the OS X side of things) I1Profiler works with Lion.

Profile Maker can make camera profiles.
(again if you're using OS X) Profile Maker doesn't work with Lion.
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2011, 08:49:47 AM »
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...but on x-rite's site I see under "all products" only a plug-in for PM. PM is not listed anymore under software, but under discontinued products!?
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2011, 09:07:14 AM »
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PMP 5 is no longer available (excepting the "ProfileMaker 5 Packaging i1 Bundle – The total colour solution for packaging printing " at £8k)
Which might make your enquiry rather academic unless you've been offered a second-hand copy.
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2011, 09:15:06 AM »
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I was wondering how the new product stands in regard to the trusted.
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2011, 09:21:28 AM »
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PMP 5 is no longer available (excepting the "ProfileMaker 5 Packaging i1 Bundle – The total colour solution for packaging printing " at £8k)
Which might make your enquiry rather academic unless you've been offered a second-hand copy.

BTW from what I see "ProfileMaker 5 Packaging" does contain only "Monitor and Scanner Profiling" not the camera module.
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2011, 09:23:31 AM »
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i1Profiler cannot create camera profiles.
(and if you're on the OS X side of things) I1Profiler works with Lion.

Profile Maker can make camera profiles.
(again if you're using OS X) Profile Maker doesn't work with Lion.

and PM with camera module aka "photo studio pro" is discontinued. So the CC24 "Passport" is replacing it, right? LOL
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2011, 09:34:30 AM »
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So the CC24 "Passport" is replacing it, right?
Wrong.
The Passport software only makes .dng camera profiles, for use in ACR/Lightroom.
PMP makes(made) proper .icc camera profiles
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2011, 09:38:43 AM »
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Wrong.
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The Passport software only makes .dng camera profiles, for use in ACR/Lightroom.
PMP makes(made) proper .icc camera profiles
That's what I'm saying!

No ICC camera profile software available anymore from x-rite, the cc24 "passport" is replacing it!
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LOL
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2011, 09:38:54 AM »
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Yup (if one can call an ICC camera profile proper <g>).
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2011, 09:46:38 AM »
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Yup (if one can call an ICC camera profile proper <g>).

what would you do with a DB? and using C1 in a pro studio setup?
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2011, 09:51:10 AM »
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what would you do with a DB? and using C1 in a pro studio setup?
move to LR/ACR?
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2011, 09:58:00 AM »
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what would you do with a DB? and using C1 in a pro studio setup?

DB?

My experience building ICC camera profiles over the years has been hit or miss. With the right target, lighting, software, raw processing software and the stars aligning properly, in studio profiles are doable.

But ICC camera profiles have one severe issue, they are output referred. The path Adobe took with DNG profiles (which does limit their use in their processors) makes a lot more sense and work pretty well. IF I were using C1 I’d be looking for them to sort out the secret sauce in their processing and hopefully supply good profiles with perhaps some tools to tweak rendering to produce a desired appearance.

The biggest issue with ICC camera profiles is the idea you can treat a raw capture like a scanner.
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2011, 10:01:26 AM »
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but when I give them these kind of arguments at P1, they answer me, and to others in their forum, that it's a conscious choice against the Adobe way ;-)
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2011, 10:04:51 AM »
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[...] IF I were using C1 I’d be looking for them to sort out the secret sauce in their processing and hopefully supply good profiles with perhaps some tools to tweak rendering to produce a desired appearance[...]
Now, I would really would like to know how to go about that  Wink Hello C1 users do you hear me?!
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2011, 12:24:07 PM »
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DB?

My experience building ICC camera profiles over the years has been hit or miss. With the right target, lighting, software, raw processing software and the stars aligning properly, in studio profiles are doable.

But ICC camera profiles have one severe issue, they are output referred. The path Adobe took with DNG profiles (which does limit their use in their processors) makes a lot more sense and work pretty well. IF I were using C1 I’d be looking for them to sort out the secret sauce in their processing and hopefully supply good profiles with perhaps some tools to tweak rendering to produce a desired appearance.

The biggest issue with ICC camera profiles is the idea you can treat a raw capture like a scanner.


You can make ICC profiles work with cameras, just ask Jack Holm. The output-referred argument was an expression of Thomas Knoll's NIH attitude, I had this discussion with him.

Profiles work so well with C1 that they asked me to make some some years ago, when a lot of Leica users were using my profiles. But they were not very friendly buisnesswise, they refused to take legal responsibility for the product, and when I realized they were involved with Microsoft I bailed out because of other small developers who told me their life became hell after they did business with Microsoft. I used to be a computer journalist.

Raw developer also uses ICC profiles to good effect, I believe.

I had a custom camera profiling and editing suite with some tools I wrote myself.
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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2011, 12:39:07 PM »
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Read my post again. I never said you can’t make ICC profiles for cameras. I said its hit or miss and highly dependent on a lot of factors. Its also not IMHO, or Knoll’s and others the best way to deal with the data (output referred) based on the path in which its used in a raw processor. Conversations I’ve had with Jack and Eric Walowit and posts to the CS list (see: Camera profiling with ICC et al) seem to provide a general agreement that the current implementation, which isn’t moving a lick, is far from ideal.

On the other hand, using a target as simple and as common as a 24 patch Macbeth and a product like the X-Rite passport, anyone can produce good (better) results from a custom DNG profile. The entire process is super fast and easy.
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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2011, 09:52:47 AM »
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You could have high quality digital camera ICC Profile but the issue is X-Rite does not do it well, so they give up digital camera ICC Profile and launch passport.

If you request high quality camera ICC profile, I prefer to use Vopho from Qualux than 24 patch passport.
 

 
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« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2011, 11:05:15 AM »
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Read my post again. I never said you can’t make ICC profiles for cameras. I said its hit or miss and highly dependent on a lot of factors. Its also not IMHO, or Knoll’s and others the best way to deal with the data (output referred) based on the path in which its used in a raw processor. Conversations I’ve had with Jack and Eric Walowit and posts to the CS list (see: Camera profiling with ICC et al) seem to provide a general agreement that the current implementation, which isn’t moving a lick, is far from ideal.

On the other hand, using a target as simple and as common as a 24 patch Macbeth and a product like the X-Rite passport, anyone can produce good (better) results from a custom DNG profile. The entire process is super fast and easy.

Andrew,

 Let's stop mugging for the gallery. A spectral description of the sensor automates the profiling problem, . One can buy a device which does it for you.

Edmund
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« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2011, 11:33:53 AM »
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I was wondering how the new product stands in regard to the trusted.

You might find lots of different opinions there. I never liked the profiles generated by Profile Maker and much preferred Monaco Profiler. Although i1Profiler has some quirks, I find the quality of the profiles it generates to be an improvement over what Monaco Profiler was capable of.

Cheers, Joe
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