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« Reply #80 on: September 16, 2011, 04:12:21 PM »
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Ok, I understand, but that is how business is done: If you decide to upgrade your system you would:
A: Keep your old equipment as backup, buy something else.
B: Sell the whole Contax kit including the back to a newcomer, buy something else.
C: Sell the back seperately and go with a competitor DB, ask for a good deal.
D: Trade the back to the new manufacturer, because he offers a better price than the market and you accept that it might be trashed, whereas it was already mentioned in this thread that dealers try to bring those trade-in backs back to life.
E: Find another solution, IŽm not aware of at the moment.

I understand your complains about the broken upgrade path, but I may stand corrected, but that 528 has been an Imacon, not Hassy back? It has been a rollercoaster for MF during the last years, Hasselblad and Imacon went together, kept on developing, Contax is discontinued, Mamiya digital has vanished and the AFI/Sinar/Rollei is a question mark, Leaf was bought by Phase, what happened to Sinar and Eyelike? Leica and Pentax launched new products. LetŽs hope we keep all those companys healthy, because they deliver excellent tools today. I do not (nor would probably anybody else) miss my first DB which is easily outperformed by any DSLR today.

Cheers, Ulf
The way I see it is that you don't object their policy, while I do. I feel that you see their policy from a point of view were market expansion won't help MF market to grow, as opposed to me, I think that: A) If they had a "true price" for their new backs (a price that wouldn't include buying back to throw the trade to Jumbo) new backs would be considerably cheaper. B)This would lead to even cheaper market for the older equipment and a healthy S/H market that would obviously grow MF market considerably. C) More people would notice the benefits of MF from upper-class DSLRs and this could give MF its pre-decade glow back!
 For all the above reasons, I call their policy Suicidal. I bet you have noticed that there are many people that think that their DSLR images can compare with say, an Aptus 54 (2006), this is their impression! They just don't know that the Aptus will make their Mickey Mouse DSLR image to look like the ....cartoon it is if compared! That's why they will never advance to MF, they consider it useless, ultra expensive and of no benefit, while a different policy from the makers would PROVE the opposite! Cheers, Theodoros www.fotometria.gr
 P.S.Obviously, Hass's close system policy enhances the confusion and makes things even more ...suicidal! The only thing they have to do is produce a CF version in parallel with the CFVs and an H body that will accept different brand backs, they can insist all the integration they want there after.
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« Reply #81 on: September 16, 2011, 04:53:19 PM »
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fotomedia_gr, the only true open systems left are the Hy6 camera and the Sinar digital back.  The longevity of both is a big question mark and their market penetration is very small to non-existent.  Phase One backs in my opinion are not open at all.  I cannot use my P30+ H mount back on my V system.  If I want to have the mount changed I need to pay $3K and obviously can not use the back on my H1 anymore.  Upgrading my back to a P40+ costs $12K and to a IQ140 costs $15K.  For that price I can almost buy a new H4D-40 (body included).  So please help me understand what good that so-called openness of Phase One does for me as a customer?
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« Reply #82 on: September 16, 2011, 05:00:52 PM »
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The way I see it is that you don't object their policy, while I do. I feel that you see their policy from a point of view were market expansion won't help MF market to grow, as opposed to me, I think that: A) If they had a "true price" for their new backs (a price that wouldn't include buying back to throw the trade to Jumbo) new backs would be considerably cheaper. B)This would lead to even cheaper market for the older equipment and a healthy S/H market that would obviously grow MF market considerably. C) More people would notice the benefits of MF from upper-class DSLRs and this could give MF its pre-decade glow back!
 For all the above reasons, I call their policy Suicidal. I bet you have noticed that there are many people that think that their DSLR images can compare with say, an Aptus 54 (2006), this is their impression! They just don't know that the Aptus will make their Mickey Mouse DSLR image to look like the ....cartoon it is if compared! That's why they will never advance to MF, they consider it useless, ultra expensive and of no benefit, while a different policy from the makers would PROVE the opposite! Cheers, Theodoros www.fotometria.gr
 P.S.Obviously, Hass's close system policy enhances the confusion and makes things even more ...suicidal! The only thing they have to do is produce a CF version in parallel with the CFVs and an H body that will accept different brand backs, they can insist all the integration they want there after.

Theodoros,

Please donŽt get me wrong, but I donŽt share your conclusion (point C). While MF always has superior quality, is the only system used in our work and is perfectly fitting our style there is a lot of work done that has to be done very fast and cheap, that wonŽt allow a big set, heavy lighting or just needs higher ISO to be able to work with available light. No MF pricing policy will be able to change these facts. I love MF for several reasons, but I feel it will never get back to the "pre-decade glow". It will more and more fade away, used for exceptional, special work.

There is a great demand for motion work and this is the place where we feel we have to invest right now, and we started to buy some daylights, not a RED (yet).

Cheers, Ulf
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« Reply #83 on: September 16, 2011, 05:42:57 PM »
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fotomedia_gr, the only true open systems left are the Hy6 camera and the Sinar digital back.  The longevity of both is a big question mark and their market penetration is very small to non-existent.  Phase One backs in my opinion are not open at all.  I cannot use my P30+ H mount back on my V system.  If I want to have the mount changed I need to pay $3K and obviously can not use the back on my H1 anymore.  Upgrading my back to a P40+ costs $12K and to a IQ140 costs $15K.  For that price I can almost buy a new H4D-40 (body included).  So please help me understand what good that so-called openness of Phase One does for me as a customer?
Open system is a different thing to interchangeable adapters. The rest.... has been quoted previously. Regards, Theodoros
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« Reply #84 on: September 16, 2011, 05:55:30 PM »
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Theodoros,

Please donŽt get me wrong, but I donŽt share your conclusion (point C). While MF always has superior quality, is the only system used in our work and is perfectly fitting our style there is a lot of work done that has to be done very fast and cheap, that wonŽt allow a big set, heavy lighting or just needs higher ISO to be able to work with available light. No MF pricing policy will be able to change these facts. I love MF for several reasons, but I feel it will never get back to the "pre-decade glow". It will more and more fade away, used for exceptional, special work.

There is a great demand for motion work and this is the place where we feel we have to invest right now, and we started to buy some daylights, not a RED (yet).

Cheers, Ulf
I never took you wrong Ulf, its the opposite, I feel we have a very creative discussion here. I noticed your different approach, I just ..hope...... and perhaps I am a bit afraid of Elephants..... due to their size of course! Wink Cheers, Theodoros www.fotometria.gr
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« Reply #85 on: September 17, 2011, 06:48:02 AM »
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I never took you wrong Ulf, its the opposite, I feel we have a very creative discussion here. I noticed your different approach, I just ..hope...... and perhaps I am a bit afraid of Elephants..... due to their size of course! Wink Cheers, Theodoros www.fotometria.gr

Nothing wrong with a little respect for these animals...has been a great experience for us though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz7YJ18qE6Q

Now with MF I fear it might develop a bit like in music reproduction. For decades people worked hard to make the best possible recording, turntables, amps and speakers, what is like today? People listen to easy accessable crappy recordings that have been compressed to MP3. I remember when that first popped up I could not believe this would ever get noticeable market share. How wrong have I been!! Still some excellent recordings and playback systems in the hands of some enthusiasts, but niche products for a few artists and some specialised companies. You can decide to enjoy the MF quality, but youŽll never change the market direction backwards. Somehow weŽll have to adapt to this system to continue to earn our living. And this is no complain, technical evolution has been extremly thrilling for me, we can choose from so many excellent tools (cameras, backs, lighting), actually better than ever.

Cheers, Ulf
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« Reply #86 on: September 17, 2011, 05:00:24 PM »
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Nothing wrong with a little respect for these animals...has been a great experience for us though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz7YJ18qE6Q

Now with MF I fear it might develop a bit like in music reproduction. For decades people worked hard to make the best possible recording, turntables, amps and speakers, what is like today? People listen to easy accessable crappy recordings that have been compressed to MP3. I remember when that first popped up I could not believe this would ever get noticeable market share. How wrong have I been!! Still some excellent recordings and playback systems in the hands of some enthusiasts, but niche products for a few artists and some specialised companies. You can decide to enjoy the MF quality, but youŽll never change the market direction backwards. Somehow weŽll have to adapt to this system to continue to earn our living. And this is no complain, technical evolution has been extremly thrilling for me, we can choose from so many excellent tools (cameras, backs, lighting), actually better than ever.

Cheers, Ulf
Are you trying to change the OP subject of the thread Ulf? Or is it that we have to accept their policies without discussing it? I'm sure nobody here is trying to change "marketing direction backwards". I am also sure there was no disrespect from me to the Elephants! So.. where Hass or P1 or anybody else..., sell their trade in gear? And if I may add, where do they dispose their garbage? I am mainly interested for the ones from the parking where they keep the Elephant! Cheers Theodoros www.fotometria.gr
 P.S. To my view MP-3 only replaced crappy walkmans, not home stereo systems. On the other hand mp-3 maybe considered as a method to LISTEN to the ART of music, while a camera is a tool to PRODUCE the ART of photography, It's more like a guitar or violin not a crappy mp-3.
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