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« on: October 03, 2011, 03:00:14 AM »
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Dear LL,

Lightroom 3.5 and the recent ACR update have added a great deal of compatibility with Hasselblad products and file formats.

Lightroom also makes use of Hasselblad colour processing knowledge by incorporating the same profile that is used in our own software Phocus.

This means with Hasselblad you know have the ultimate choice in Raw conversion software without compromising quality of colour rendition.

I attach a a document with more details and answers some questions regarding Phocus vs Lightroom as well.

David

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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2011, 06:07:59 AM »
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And this is positive information. Finally, a small step forward.

Because of my innate inquisitiveness I ask. The documentation is not quite clearly defined:
1) if all files are read 3f, 3FR? H2D, H3D, H3DII, CFV, CFV39, CFV50, CF39,
2) or only files with H4D60 (3f, 3FR)? (or all H4D line only)

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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2011, 07:23:54 AM »
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And this is positive information. Finally, a small step forward.

Because of my innate inquisitiveness I ask. The documentation is not quite clearly defined:
1) if all files are read 3f, 3FR? H2D, H3D, H3DII, CFV, CFV39, CFV50, CF39,
2) or only files with H4D60 (3f, 3FR)? (or all H4D line only)

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DF


It says in the document all Firewire based equipment, 3F and 3FR combined.

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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2011, 07:43:54 AM »
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It's not so clear:
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/extend.html

One might think that only H4D60. Added H4D60, but have forgotten that in previous versions - files are readable only 3FR format (all models listed below). And now they are 3f and 3FR. Hence the uncertainty.

Anyway nice to hear that :-)
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2011, 10:21:10 AM »
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FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY I can streamline my workflow especially considering how my firewire loves to fail on the MBP 17" leaving me with a mix of 3FR and 3F files!!!

Now if only you guys can help solve this MBP firewire problem.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2011, 10:59:29 AM »
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This is fantastic news!  This a major time saver for all of us who are committed LR/CS5 users.

Well done Hasselblad!
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2011, 11:20:46 AM »
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FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY I can streamline my workflow especially considering how my firewire loves to fail on the MBP 17" leaving me with a mix of 3FR and 3F files!!!

Now if only you guys can help solve this MBP firewire problem.
haha


Wink

Have you updated your firmware to include the firewire fix?

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2011, 02:27:53 PM »
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I attach a a document with more details and answers some questions regarding Phocus vs Lightroom as well.

Everything in the PDF is fine till this:

"A few words about one competitor
Adobe Lightroom or Camera Raw does not offer profile generated Lens Corrections for Phase One raw
files - only manual adjustments can be applied. Neither can you say that the image quality in Capture
One and Lightroom is compareable. Reasons are most probably related to that Adobe and Phase One
compete for the same customers and therefore probably do not cooperate closely.
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Uh, it would be useful to stick to known facts and not speculate about how much cooperation there is (or isn't) between Adobe and Phase One. You'll note that the most recent ACR 6.5 and LR 3.5 included official support for a bunch of new camera backs including the Phase One IQ 140, 160 and 180. How do you suppose that happened? And while it's true that Adobe doesn't currently have lens profiles for Phase One lenses, I wouldn't be too sure they aren't cooperating to produce lens profiles in the future...

Hasselblad should stick to the facts about their own products...
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2011, 02:36:43 PM »
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Everything in the PDF is fine till this:

"A few words about one competitor
Adobe Lightroom or Camera Raw does not offer profile generated Lens Corrections for Phase One raw
files - only manual adjustments can be applied. Neither can you say that the image quality in Capture
One and Lightroom is compareable. Reasons are most probably related to that Adobe and Phase One
compete for the same customers and therefore probably do not cooperate closely.
"

Uh, it would be useful to stick to known facts and not speculate about how much cooperation there is (or isn't) between Adobe and Phase One. You'll note that the most recent ACR 6.5 and LR 3.5 included official support for a bunch of new camera backs including the Phase One IQ 140, 160 and 180. How do you suppose that happened? And while it's true that Adobe doesn't currently have lens profiles for Phase One lenses, I wouldn't be too sure they aren't cooperating to produce lens profiles in the future...

Hasselblad should stick to the facts about their own products...

+1 I agree!
Official documents of the company ... This behavior is not elegant.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2011, 03:25:20 PM »
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Jeff,

So probably mean, its?  or maybe, its?

I am from mars, in I like to learn American English.

Just asking, do not come after me, I am innocent until prove me, different.

I like how I took this photo, look the birds flying free.  They look, like  they stop in the air, saying its hell down their, everyone for their self.
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2011, 03:41:01 PM »
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.fff images from my 528c  did not import to lightroom.   Sad
Only the ones from my CFii-39MS did  Smiley

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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2011, 03:41:52 PM »
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Design Freak wrote

"+1 I agree!
Official documents of the company ... This behavior is not elegant."

And you just cant resist to be negative, even on positiv news from
Hasselblad.

Other people writes "This is fantastic news!"

But you imediately doubt that it is for all the Hasselblads etc.

You are so transparent!!

For the records - I do not shoot with a  Hasselblad, I use Leaf and Nikon
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2011, 04:59:04 PM »
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Jeff,

So probably mean, its?  or maybe, its?

Due to NDA's I can't be more specific...I wrote what I wrote carefully.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2011, 05:39:21 PM »
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Design Freak wrote

"+1 I agree!
Official documents of the company ... This behavior is not elegant."

And you just cant resist to be negative, even on positiv news from
Hasselblad.

Other people writes "This is fantastic news!"

But you imediately doubt that it is for all the Hasselblads etc.

You are so transparent!!

For the records - I do not shoot with a  Hasselblad, I use Leaf and Nikon

Why not learn to read?  Huh
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2011, 03:34:33 AM »
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Great!

Thierry

I like how I took this photo, look the birds flying free.  They look, like  they stop in the air, saying its hell down their, everyone for their self.
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2011, 12:43:28 PM »
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Dear LL,

Lightroom 3.5 and the recent ACR update have added a great deal of compatibility with Hasselblad products and file formats.

Lightroom also makes use of Hasselblad colour processing knowledge by incorporating the same profile that is used in our own software Phocus.

This means with Hasselblad you know have the ultimate choice in Raw conversion software without compromising quality of colour rendition.

I attach a a document with more details and answers some questions regarding Phocus vs Lightroom as well.

David

Given that LR 3.5 and ACR now use the same colour processing is there any reason when shooting to card to convert to .FFF - or are the results in LR from 3FR files the same as .fffs?  In the past I have had issues with the way that LR dealt with Hasselblad Colours and there was no question but that Phocus did a better job.  My understanding was that the conversion from .3FR to .FFF not only brought Phocus into play but also had advantages in that the .3FR files were "expanded" and something was added in the conversion process to .FFF.  Accordingly on hearing that LR 3.5 now supports .fff files I thought that the way to go would be to convert the .3fr files to .fff and then import those into LR.  It now seems that in terms of colour rendition there is no advantage to this.  Is that right?

Playing around I can find no real difference between 3fr and fff files on screen in LR 3.5.  But then my eyes are old and I have not done any extensive tests.

Any thoughts?
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2011, 10:24:55 PM »
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Thank you David for posting, I am sure Lightroom workflow photographers are excited to hear the news - no longer need to include Phocus in the RAW workflow to pick up the Hasselblad RGB space for very good skin tones and the helpful lens corrections.

The intent is to streamline the total workflow so the photographer can concentrate on photography...congrats to programming developers on both Adobe and Hasselblad software teams. Great news.

Love to make a client smile, good stuff!

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« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2011, 02:29:07 AM »
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Hi Pflower,

That is actually a very good question.

The 3FR to 3F process does involve some further correction (like stitch for example) so I need to find out what is happening in Lightroom with that respect.

Ill let you know!

David

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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2011, 03:21:50 AM »
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Hi,
Custom Camera Profiles, such as xRite Sensor Profiles, are not available for 3FR and FFF files opened in ACR.
These custom profiles are also not available for DNG, created through "Save As" menu in ACR from these Hasselblad RAW files.

The Custom Camera Profiles will only appear in ACR, if Hasselblad RAW files first exported from Phocus to DNG, then DNG opened in ACR.
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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2011, 07:24:25 AM »
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evgeny, assuming you're referring to the X-Rite ColorChecker Passport ... how did you generate the DNG files that you fed to the Passport software to build the profiles?
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