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« on: November 11, 2011, 05:45:01 PM »
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Andreas Gursky's Rhein II sets photo record
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2011, 10:25:18 AM »
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I believe Gursky to be one man who has discovered how to manipulate the acquisitive madness within people. He must be as bemused by it all as am I.

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 01:03:04 PM »
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Sometimes I think the correct response to The Art World actually is cynicism - fleecing rich credulous people eager for that entre into "society" seems enough of a fair exchange.

What I do find objectionable is squandering the public purse in a blatant game of pimp and dump orchestrated by a self-serving coterie.
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2011, 04:57:01 AM »
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I tend to think that the highly priced photography being bought isn't really being bought as 'art' at all, but as a sort of mutually accepted form of 'value' to replace the doubtful monetary markers that were valid until around '08; mutually accepted, of course, amongst those with the billions to protect.

Looking around me right now, I wonder how at ease I'd feel were I to win many millions on the lottery... here, within the Euro Zone? It could possibly be as frightening an experience as exhilarating.

Such 'art' was never intended for mere mortals; maybe we should just smile and forget it; better still, provide it!

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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2011, 07:40:57 AM »
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It demonstrates once again, as if another demonstration were necessary, that "fine art" is a marketing term having little to do with actual art. Christies probably could sell elephant poop to these people if it called it "fine art." Oh, wait, didn't a world-famous museum present elephant poop as fine art not long ago?
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2011, 08:40:47 AM »
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It demonstrates once again, as if another demonstration were necessary, that "fine art" is a marketing term having little to do with actual art. Christies probably could sell elephant poop to these people if it called it "fine art." Oh, wait, didn't a world-famous museum present elephant poop as fine art not long ago?
Right!

So, Russ, are you planning to change your website's URL to something like "FineSnaps.com" and leave out the "Art?"   Wink

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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2011, 09:27:25 AM »
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Remember, Eric. It's a marketing term. My web supposedly is for marketing. In an effort to boost sales I may even start offering elephant poop.
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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2011, 10:28:07 AM »
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I wonder how at ease I'd feel were I to win many millions on the lottery... here, within the Euro Zone? It could possibly be as frightening an experience as exhilarating.

I offer a discrete service that alleviates the terror (naturally felt by sensitive considerate individuals) of immense personal wealth  - calm delight will return upon complete transfer of funds  :-)


I tend to think that the highly priced photography being bought isn't really being bought as 'art' at all, but as a sort of mutually accepted form of 'value' to replace the doubtful monetary markers that were valid until around '08; mutually accepted, of course, amongst those with the billions to protect.

As an asset class, art works seem more like a speculative commodity than like U.S. Treasury Bonds - but now I'm wandering off the point.


"I am suggesting that the price paid for a work of art becomes its absolute and authoritative value, even if the value the price implies is not particularly clear. It is presented without explanation -- the price is the explanation."

"Thus art has become a venue for the exhibition of money."

ART VALUES OR MONEY VALUES? by Donald Kuspit
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2011, 11:43:18 AM »
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"I am suggesting that the price paid for a work of art becomes its absolute and authoritative value, even if the value the price implies is not particularly clear. It is presented without explanation -- the price is the explanation."

"Thus art has become a venue for the exhibition of money."

ART VALUES OR MONEY VALUES? by Donald Kuspit


That's a very interesting link that you posted, thanks very much!

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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2011, 11:49:12 AM »
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"I am suggesting that the price paid for a work of art becomes its absolute and authoritative value, even if the value the price implies is not particularly clear. It is presented without explanation -- the price is the explanation."

Well, I guess this rule could also be applied to some cameras.
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2011, 03:46:16 AM »
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Well, I guess this rule could also be applied to some cameras.



Hence the unopened Leica boxes in the Japanese collections that one hears about.

What a shame that money keeps certain tools out of reach... need a revolution! Only joking about the revolution, though, we don't need more problems just yet.

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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2011, 04:18:04 AM »
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Hence the unopened Leica boxes in the Japanese collections that one hears about.

What a shame that money keeps certain tools out of reach... need a revolution! Only joking about the revolution, though, we don't need more problems just yet.

Rob C

This has bothered me about certain factory track day cars for as long as I can remember.  Ford for instance makes a race ready car the average person could afford to buy and race on weekends.. makes it to meet all the requirements.  And then a bunch of "collectors" bids up the price to 4-5x the intended price and parks them with the plastic still on the seat.. never to race or in most cases make a single lap around a track.

Other than being an image from an accomplished photographer.. I still don't see anything in that image.  It's an image my wife would delete from her PNS.  And before someone says "then why didn't she take it?"  I think she did.  I like hers better.
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2011, 09:34:27 AM »
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"Then why didn't you take it?"

Another answer to the question could be that nobody else wanted to take Mr G's shots.

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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2011, 12:03:26 PM »
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"Then why didn't you take it?"

Another answer to the question could be that nobody else wanted to take Mr G's shots.

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Exactly!

And if I had taken it, and blown it up to humongous size and mounted it to acrylic or whatever, I seriously doubt whether anybody would have paid over 4 million for it.

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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2011, 01:14:45 PM »
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Another answer to the question could be that nobody else wanted to take Mr G's shots.

That answer doesn't inform us about Mr G's shots - perhaps if others had wanted to take Mr G's shots that would suggest they were commonplace, and the fact that nobody else had that vision suggests that they may be extraordinary? (Or not.)

'Why, I ask, is my unmade bed just an unmade bed and hers is art? "Because you didn't say that yours was art and you didn't feel that it was. I saw it as art and felt that it was. I said that it was and showed that it was. I have transferred what I feel on to someone else looking at it. That's the alchemy. That's the magic. I was the person who had to have the conviction in the first place.'
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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2011, 01:37:39 PM »
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That answer doesn't inform us about Mr G's shots - perhaps if others had wanted to take Mr G's shots that would suggest they were commonplace, and the fact that nobody else had that vision suggests that they may be extraordinary? (Or not.)

'Why, I ask, is my unmade bed just an unmade bed and hers is art? "Because you didn't say that yours was art and you didn't feel that it was. I saw it as art and felt that it was. I said that it was and showed that it was. I have transferred what I feel on to someone else looking at it. That's the alchemy. That's the magic. I was the person who had to have the conviction in the first place.'
Sounds more like the personal thoughts of an insane person.   It gets really old listening to people tell me a painting of a fresh pile of dog shite or Jesus wearing a Hello Kitty skirt is art.  Perhaps to the creators they feel it is, and I'll give them their due.  But I find it very sheep like when others claim their "art studdys" program enabled them to see art others can't see like they're in some secret club with one of a kind decoder rings. 

If someone thinks something they created is art I'd never be the one to tell them it isn't, to them it may very well be.  And if someone else wants to spend 4.3 million to buy it.. then good for them.  And if someone who took an "art studdys" program wants to go all elite on us and tell us he/she can see things we cannot.. then good for him/her.   But unlike the great majority of art displayed in museums the world over.. most people are just going to see it for what it really is.  Something my wife would have deleted on her PNS..   
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2011, 01:45:58 PM »
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... someone who took an "art studdys" program...

You keep making fun of a non-native English speaker's misspelling (or typo). Not cool, Mr. Weldon, not cool.


P.S. And, for the sake of others, no, I am not talking about myself
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2011, 01:55:10 PM »
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Sounds more like the personal thoughts of an insane person.

As does much practical science - for example, time running more slowly at high altitude than at sea level ;-)
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2011, 01:59:40 PM »
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You keep making fun on a non-native English speaker's misspelling (or typo). Not cool, Mr. Weldon, not cool.


P.S. And, for the sake of others, no, I am not talking about myself
It is a bit out of line isn't it?  Irony is like that sometimes.  Before I go all elite on someone and tell them how my education gives me super powers and all.. I make sure to flip on the spell checker to make sure I spell "super powers" correctly.  I might not be the perfect speller in my own second languages, but my education does extend to the basics of technology if not the esoteric arts.
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2011, 02:00:20 PM »
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As does much practical science - for example, time running more slowly at high altitude than at sea level ;-)
Or the world is round.  Got it..  Roll Eyes
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