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« Reply #100 on: February 18, 2013, 09:07:17 PM »
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But the second one wasn't HD.  Roll Eyes

Eric, you are a silly old chap! Sometime you make no sense at all.  Grin
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« Reply #101 on: February 19, 2013, 10:57:10 AM »
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Here it is, Palatlakaha II. I'll have to expect a slightly lower initial estimate for its auction price than for Rhein II since it isn't quite as boring. I couldn't get a straight, boring path on the near side, so the algae along the bank will have to substitute.
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« Reply #102 on: February 19, 2013, 02:44:48 PM »
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It's interesting that a bunch of photographers, who are as a group pretty much notorious for deriving pleasure from buying expensive stuff they don't need and that probably isn't in any meaningful way "worth it", bitching about rich art buyers..
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« Reply #103 on: February 19, 2013, 02:52:14 PM »
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It's interesting that a bunch of photographers, who are as a group pretty much notorious for deriving pleasure from buying expensive stuff they don't need and that probably isn't in any meaningful way "worth it", bitching about rich art buyers..

+1  Grin
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« Reply #104 on: February 19, 2013, 02:59:11 PM »
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Any more spoilsports out there?
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« Reply #105 on: February 19, 2013, 03:01:48 PM »
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WE ARE LEGION

(I don't like Rhine II either, for the record, but it's not my money)
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« Reply #106 on: February 19, 2013, 06:54:03 PM »
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Here it is, Palatlakaha II. I'll have to expect a slightly lower initial estimate for its auction price than for Rhein II since it isn't quite as boring. I couldn't get a straight, boring path on the near side, so the algae along the bank will have to substitute.

Russ,
C'mon now! Just look at the comparison below. Gursky's Rhein II expresses the simplicity of mathematical harmony imposed upon nature through the creative processes of the photographer.

Observe that the two strips of greenery in the foreground, separated by the path, are of equal size and shape.

Observe that the narrow concrete path is equal in size and shape to the strip of greenery on the far side of the river bank.

Observe that the sky is exactly twice the height of the expanse of water, and twice the area.

The photograph thus expresses, or brings to mind, or hints at the rather amazing concept that nature, in all her complexity, may conform to mathematical rules.

Now, what is the concept behind your photo, Russ? Did you accidentally trip the shutter as you were walking along the river bank whilst holding the camera steady with one hand to stop it swaying against your body as it dangled from your neck?  Grin
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« Reply #107 on: February 19, 2013, 08:06:17 PM »
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If my camera ever dangled from my neck I'd be dead.
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« Reply #108 on: February 19, 2013, 08:36:29 PM »
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If my camera ever dangled from my neck I'd be dead.

Wow! Is your camera that heavy, Russ. I've sometimes hiked all day long with two DSLRs dangling from my neck. When the terrain is rough, I have to steady them with both hands to stop them clashing into each other.  Wink

Of course, to be clear unless some people get confused, my cameras are dangling from the back of my neck, and sometimes the side of my neck, using what is known as a shoulder strap. I never use the shoulder strap to dangle the camera from my shoulder because there's a risk it might slip off. I therfore always sling the camera's shoulder-strap around my neck.

As long as the strap is anchored around the back of the neck or the side of the neck where one's shirt collar is usually situated, it's not too uncomfortable. However, if the strap were anchored around the front of the neck, it would restrict one's breathing and also reduce the speed with which one could grab the camera to take a shot.

Hope I've clarified that situation for you.  Grin
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« Reply #109 on: February 19, 2013, 11:07:08 PM »
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I just had another brilliant idea. You know how some artists (and even photographers) may use the same title over and over again for different images ("Untitled," for example). Well my idea is that maybe I should title my next 500 photos each "Rhein II" and see if that helps to inflate the price.  Cool
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« Reply #110 on: February 20, 2013, 08:23:38 AM »
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Hope I've clarified that situation for you.  Grin

Thanks Ray, that was a pretty thorough clarification. Actually, my D3 with 24-70 f/2.8, which is my all-time favorite combination weighs just about 5 pounds. If I put on the 70-200 f/2.8 the rig goes up to 6 pounds. Now you have to understand that I have an 83-year-old neck, so I've done a couple things to keep the weight off of it. First, I hang the camera with a shoulder strap on -- believe it or not --- my shoulder. Actually, my strap is an Upstrap, which lets me slant my shoulder very close to vertical without the camera falling off. The second thing I've done is to get rid of the 70-200 f/2.8 and substitute the new 70-200 f/4, which is just a tad lighter than the 24-70 but with the same characteristics as the 70-200 f/2.8. Considering the kind of ISO I get with the D3 and D800 it's a fair trade. If I really need less depth of field I put on an 85mm f/1.8 prime.
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« Reply #111 on: February 20, 2013, 08:55:55 AM »
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Of course they cited enjoyment as the key. What that survey shows is that ten percent of the buyers were honest.
And what your statement shows is that you will twist and manipulate any evidence to prove your world view/opinion is correct or simply ignore anything that you cannot mangle to your view.
There are other viewpoints you know. For example...

Why is it soooo difficult for some of you to accept that there are people who actually like the Rhein II (I do)?

You seem to go to great lengths looking for any other explanation, mostly cynical (investment) or derogatory (stupid rich). Some of you are patronizingly concerned with the longevity or reproducibility of the said piece. The people who pay 4+ millions for a photograph do not have net worth of 5 million, but more likely in the range of 50 to 500 million.
I also like Gursky's work and if I could afford a house big enough to display such work properly, then maybe I could afford his prices too.
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« Reply #112 on: February 20, 2013, 01:12:20 PM »
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Neck straps are more interesting.

Actually, wearing one so that it passes behind the neck with the camera hanging down the front of you is not any safer or more comfortable.

Once you have your first heart attack you discover more interesting things about your neck as, for examle, the two arteries that run down both the sides, right where the strap likes to press itself. A little too much time so strapped up, and you can feel yourself faint quite away: almost as in a ladies' magazine article, but without the thrill.

Best to keep cameras in a case, the case left at home or in the studio. Or, in extremis, have it carried by/in the tender care of someone much younger and ignorant of the dangers that lurk therein.

As for the value of pictures - depends how much money and/or sense one has. Oh, taste: forgot about that. Let's just look at paintings, then.

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« Reply #113 on: February 20, 2013, 01:46:19 PM »
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I think sometimes I am the only person in the world to go strapless. I carry the camera in my hand (well, cameras that are small enough to do so, I have a couple of tripod mounted things that mostly gather dust). This would be difficult, I guess, with a big (D)SLR but for the little Nikons I have it works perfectly well.

My leaving my neck clear, I expect to live forever!
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« Reply #114 on: February 20, 2013, 01:55:32 PM »
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It seems that this thread has finally found its true calling, best expressed in two words: neck and hanging?
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« Reply #115 on: February 20, 2013, 02:00:04 PM »
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Neckstrap-free-zone here.  Apart from anything else, there are no strap lugs that I can find on a Sinar.

Adding the tangle of a strap on my Fuji X-E 1 would defeat the purose of a grab-cam.

Cheers,

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« Reply #116 on: February 20, 2013, 08:19:57 PM »
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It seems that this thread has finally found its true calling, best expressed in two words: neck and hanging?
Now if I ever saw Rhein II hanging from somebody's neck, I really would be impressed.
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« Reply #117 on: February 21, 2013, 08:12:38 AM »
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The Rhine of the Ancient Mariner..
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« Reply #118 on: February 21, 2013, 08:14:31 AM »
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Now if I ever saw Rhein II hanging from somebody's neck, I really would be impressed.


Better on a T-shirt.
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« Reply #119 on: February 21, 2013, 11:42:24 AM »
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The Rhine of the Ancient Mariner..




Back to Fleetwood Mac and his big bad bird.

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