Teaching the Monkey

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Yes, and from your response I get the impression that you haven't read further than the title.

Ah, the usual hiding behind quotes and patronizing.

[Isaac]

Ah, the usual hiding behind quotes and patronizing.

The only words I quoted were the words I was replying to - your words - just as you have quoted my words in your comment.

Gee, Isaac, wasn't it you who posted this link

I read that as sarcasm. The sarcasm suggests that you think there's something about that article which conflicts with those words of mine. But you don't say what in that article you think conflicts with those quoted words of mine, and that leads me to think your comment was solely based on the article title.

You've stopped at sarcasm, you haven't moved the discussion forward.

Here's a quote for you -

But in general, the occasional tendency to macho insults and what sometimes seems like deliberate misconstruction as an excuse for rudeness, rather than reasoned discussion, rather puts me off participating more.

[Rob C]

Strikes me that Lois is being roped in as a creative consultant: someone called in at the last moment to share the blame. I worked with some of those guys a few times... a lot gave up and went home.

Rob C

[WalterEG]

Ain't dat da troof Rob!

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... You've stopped at sarcasm, you haven't moved the discussion forward...

Funny how in all your propensity to cut & paste, quote and provide links, you overlooked this quote as my contribution to the discussion:

Maybe because you are new here? Those of us who've been around a while (old or not) know perfectly well that we welcome and encourage and ask directly for more female participation. And those female photographers who chose to contribute collaboratively rather than combatively are surely aware of the warm and sincere welcome by us, "old boys".

[Isaac]

Funny how in all your propensity to cut & paste, quote and provide links, you overlooked this quote as my contribution to the discussion

That comment provided your perspective on why everything is just fine, without acknowledging in any way what LoisWakeman had already said wasn't just fine from her perspective.

The sarcastic remark suggests that you think there's something about that article which conflicts with those words of mine - what is it exactly?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

There are words of yours somewhere?

Pardon me for not noticing in the jungle of quotes and links you usually provide

[Isaac]

There are words of yours somewhere?
Pardon me for not noticing in the jungle of quotes and links you usually provide

As she said - "And you wonder why we don't participate? Sheesh."

... what sometimes seems like deliberate misconstruction as an excuse for rudeness, rather than reasoned discussion, rather puts me off participating more.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

That's it!?

These are your words and your contribution!?

"And she said"!?

Oh, my!

[Isaac]

... deliberate misconstruction as an excuse for rudeness, rather than reasoned discussion, rather puts me off participating more.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Not that this is thread going anywhere useful...

[Rob C]

That's what happens when a thread departs from its roots...

Rob C

[Eric Myrvaagnes]

That's what happens when a thread departs from its roots...

Rob C

Well, let's hope the Monkey will post something to get it back on course.

Eric

[Rob C]

Well, let's hope the Monkey will post something to get it back on course.

Eric

Well, lend it a typewriter and you may find yourself the recipient of the complete Works of one Willie Shakespeare!

Rob C

[KLaban]

Well, lend it a typewriter and you may find yourself the recipient of the complete Works of one Willie Shakespeare!

Better still, lend it a camera.

[Eric Myrvaagnes]

KLaban,

He took that snap just after typing out the complete works of Proust. I think Shakespeare is next, but maybe George Eliot comes first.

Eric

[Rob C]

Okay, Keith, what's his hand doing?

A lovely shot which reminds me of the current commercial for a tooth and gum cleaner chew for pooches, where they show dogs with false teeth. They are really beautifully done!

For no clear reason of which I'm aware, this reminds me that there's going to be a documentary(?) some time this month on Bailey and Shrimpton called We'll Take Manhattan or something similar. It will probably suck, because there are actors, but I know that if I find it I won't be able to resist watching. Those two represent so damned much that mattered so damned much to me!

I wish them well.

Rob C

[KLaban]

Okay, Keith, what's his hand doing?

Rob, holding the camera, literally.

For those who haven't seen this series of photos before, this magnificent beast 'borrowed' a photographer's camera and proceeded to take a series of self portraits.