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« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2012, 11:03:58 AM »
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Here you can Download a NEF file to check sharpness of the Pentax 645 45-85mm FA. @ 85mm F/8.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10120389/_DSC0666.NEF

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« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2012, 12:18:25 AM »
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Interesting setup.  How much shift can you achieve before hitting the camera nose?  Does the Horseman VCC Pro have geared shifts and tilts?  Also, does the Horseman body have degree markings to indicate the amount of tilt?
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« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2012, 01:28:15 AM »
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the 24 and the 45 are superb at 5.6-f8 but start to loose it in the corners when fully shifted and the 45 can show CA in the corners when tilted
sure they are not as precise as they could be but very light, usable and good value

i was enquiring about the schnieder options to robert white and this is the response:

"would suggest that you wait as Schnieder are to be producing a new wide angle PC E lens ...I suspect details will follow closer to Photokina in September"

i did a lot of this work with them (the book is sold out):
http://adriantyler.net/alhambra.html

Shame the book is sold out! I was looking for a buy button immediately. Looks wonderful.
 
I do hope Robert White is correct about some new shift lens/s coming soon.

I'd sound a note of caution on the current Schneider 28 PC as I believe its extremely 'wompy' with a lot of hard to correct distortion. I had the LF version of the same optic and sent it back. I found it's distortion unnacceptable usable on architecture.




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« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2012, 08:17:45 AM »
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Interesting setup.  How much shift can you achieve before hitting the camera nose?  Does the Horseman VCC Pro have geared shifts and tilts?  Also, does the Horseman body have degree markings to indicate the amount of tilt?

4mm shift before hitting the nose. It has back geared sifts. Frontal lateral non geared shift. Front tilts with no degree marks. 
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« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2012, 02:47:36 PM »
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Is there any way at present to attach the Hartblei tilt-shift lenses to my Phase One 645 camera?
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« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2012, 03:09:43 PM »
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Hi John,

Hartblei make the Hartblei Digital 45mm Super-Rotator F3.5 Tilt Shift Lens Mamiya/Phase 645 mount.

It so happens that I have one in excellent condition for sale so if you are interested go to the link below.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=492717487

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Simon
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« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2012, 06:01:07 PM »
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Thanks for the offer. Two questions: is the Mamiya mount a custom order item? The Hartblei website did not mention a Mamiya mount directly.
Secondly, what is the coverage of the lens? I have not yet come across any coverage charts for these lenses- have to do some more research.
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« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2012, 07:54:04 PM »
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Hi John,

It is factory fitted with a Mamiya 645 mount. From what I have found on the web the Angle of view is 83 (98 with optical unit shifted)

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« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2012, 06:36:28 PM »
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Hello,

I'm also selling a Mamiya 645 Shift C 50mm F4.0 lens and Nikon lens mount adapter.

Go to the For Sale section if you are keen.

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Simon
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« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2012, 11:43:07 PM »
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The Schneider 90 is a very large lens (the size of those movie primes) yet very light weight - almost just like the 90mm Symmar lens for Rolleiflex, I was actually seriously consider to buy one but with no image reference whatsoever I am a bit reserved.
The shop I spotted the lens in Shanghai would not let me running a try and since I also have Canon system and all the 4 TS-E lenses so it is not a top priority for me but thinking of getting the Schneider 90 can use on both my D800E and with adapter to use on 5DIII is a good choice - but the question is "has anyone tried it and compare to the TS-E 90"?  It is a 90/4 lens rather than a 90/2.8, but how the optical performance compares?

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I have tried almost all the t/s lenses for Nikon mount. I even went so far as to purchase a 45, but had to return it as it had color bleed issues (bad Nano coating, imo). The Schneider 90 is a superior optic but ergonomically a nightmare to use. If you can master it, I feel sure it would be fantastic on a D800. I rented, then purchased a Zeiss 21. One of these years (hello Nikon) when the D800 is available I hope to use it on that body. Meanwhile I'm using it on my D700 and NEX-7 w/Novoflex adapter.
Ellis, not sure why anyone would choose the 25 over the 21 for landscape unless you are stitching, but YMMV.
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« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2012, 05:05:28 PM »
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Hy,
I'm not very happy with the Nikkor 24 PC on my D800. It has terrible color fringes!
I bought it to have something faster/handily than my Cambo WRS, P25+ with the Digitar 35.
It's faster, yes, but the quality is worse.....
The Zeiss 40 IF is stunning. I use the Hasselblad version with an adapter on my WRS.
I use movements of 14 mm with very good results, even at f4. That's why I'm sure
that the Hartblei will perform very good on a D800, but you have to use a compendium.
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« Reply #51 on: July 21, 2012, 10:42:08 PM »
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I have never used the Nikon 24mm pc-e, but I know several professional photographers who use it regularly for architectural photography and have had no complaints. What reviews are you referring to? If one of the reviewers has the initials KR, I wouldn't put too much stock in that, except perhaps for hobbyist use.
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« Reply #52 on: July 22, 2012, 04:50:23 AM »
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David,
it's my own, professional experience. I'm not referring to a review.
The Capture One software can't resolve this CA completly.
I will check it with the Nikon software the next days, maybe it's  stronger....

Ben
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« Reply #53 on: July 23, 2012, 04:04:51 AM »
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David,

I will check it with the Nikon software the next days, maybe it's  stronger....

Ben

Check and tell us about the results, I am interested in this lens, the DOF of the D800 is... nonexistent.
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« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2012, 02:26:36 PM »
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David,
it's my own, professional experience. I'm not referring to a review.
The Capture One software can't resolve this CA completly.
I will check it with the Nikon software the next days, maybe it's  stronger....

Ben

I was actually referring to the OP's comment about reviews suggesting some shakey mechanical performance with the Nikon 24mm pc lens. Not surprised that the Schneider medium format lens performs better. The original Canon 24mm pc lens also had significant CA that could not be completely subdued, with Lightroom, at least. Have you tried Lightroom with the Nikon 24mm pc, to try to fix CA? In any case, the current wideangle Canon pc lenses are very high quality, with very low CA. However, Canon does not make a camera like the D800 yet.
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« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2012, 08:10:49 PM »
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David,
it's my own, professional experience. I'm not referring to a review.
The Capture One software can't resolve this CA completly.
I will check it with the Nikon software the next days, maybe it's  stronger....

Ben

My experience is the complete opposite. I find the PC-E 24 and my D800 to be sharp and any CA that pops up when shifted/tilted is easily fixed in my experience with Capture 1 or LR 4.1.

I sold an Alpa and Phase One P45+ when about a year ago and although the Alpa/Schneider lenses were absolutely amazing, I am quite satisfied with the D800 / PC-E 24.  Could the lens be better? Of course, but for shooting my projects it performs admirably.
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« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2012, 06:45:18 PM »
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I have had some time to evaluate the Hartblei 40/4 TS on a D800E. A few observations follow.

Fully shifted, this TS lens is a stellar performer with no visible softening or vignetting. It's outstanding "full-shift" performance should make for higher quality stitched images.  

F/8 is a stellar aperture when it comes to contrast and minimal diffraction softening... nothing new there. F/11 is acceptable, but I am impressed with the degree of image degradation at f/16. Performance wide open is outstanding.

One significant difference in comparing this lens to the Nikkor 45 PCE is the camera meter goes wacky with a full shift. I realize shooting in Manual mode rectifies this entirely, but if one shoots in Aperture mode, the camera will overexpose by nearly 2 stops with the lens fully shifted. As long as I shoot in Manual mode and set the exposure with the lens in a neutral position, matrix metering works as expected.

Lastly, the mechanical quality of this lens is solid, precise, and without the need for "lock-down" knobs. My only complaint is the weight of the thing, it is 3.9 pounds HEAVY.

Cheers! Greg
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« Reply #57 on: August 03, 2012, 08:25:35 PM »
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Are you talking about the Zeiss-Hartblei 40/4 or a Hartblei from Hartblei Ukraine lens? There is quite a difference in terms of quality. The name says it all.
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« Reply #58 on: August 03, 2012, 09:26:32 PM »
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Are you talking about the Zeiss-Hartblei 40/4 or a Hartblei from Hartblei Ukraine lens? There is quite a difference in terms of quality. The name says it all.

It is a Zeiss-Harblei... the glass is made in Germany. However, as I came to find out, even the Zeiss glass is contracted to Ukrainians for barrel construction and mounting. I assume they are the same Ukrainians that make the Ukrainian glass. The Ukrainian-glass variety is also a much smaller lens at about half the weight. The weight aspect and the price are appealing, but Nikon glass would be my choice over the Ukrainian variety, even though the Nikon variety comes without the rotator function. Going with the Zeiss variety comes with substantial penalties in both size and cost.
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« Reply #59 on: August 14, 2012, 06:39:10 PM »
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Hi

I have a 28mm f/2.8 Schneider PC-Super-Angulon lens which I use on my D800E.  Bought secondhand in mint condition for $1200.  It is well made and very sharp.  Like all W/A T/S lenses you will get some vignetting at extreme shifts.  I have also tried the Schneider TS lens but disliked the unidirectional shift which is a pain for panoramic images and furthermore as another poster said they are big and very expensive.

Hi David,

I am considering buying the 28mm Schneider PC Super-Angulon with the D800E. Can you tell us if the lens retains its sharpness & contrast towards the edges and corners when fully shifted on the D800E?
How would you rate its overall performance when shifted, including distortion & CA? Have you come up again any issues with the D800E?

Does anybody know more about the new Schneider wide angle PC E lens that Robert White was referring to?
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