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Bill Koenig
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« on: March 07, 2012, 01:15:19 PM »
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Looking at the currant prices at B&H, they have the NEC PA271W BK listed at a discounted price of $1199.00 that's $200.00 off.
But the NEC PA271W BK SV is $1649.00.
Really, a $450.00 difference just for there SpectraViewII Colorimeter and Software.
I'm using Coloreyes display Pro and the DTP94 puck on my present monitor (Sony CRT) I know the DTP94 won't work with a wide gamma monitor, what would work with Coloreyes display Pro?
Bottom line, what would you do?

BTW, what does the "BK" refer to?
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2012, 01:20:53 PM »
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To take full advantage of the SpectraView, you need to use their software to control the process. You could get a PA without using an instrument and calibrate using MultiProfiler. But if you want to calibrate using an instrument, you’d be better off with the NEC branded EyeOne Display-2 and more importantly, the SpectraView II software.

BK just refers to the package (instrument, software and of course display).
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2012, 07:24:56 PM »
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BTW, what does the "BK" refer to?

"BK" = Black (monitor housing color). All PA models sold in the US are black.
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2012, 10:17:59 PM »
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Yet you can buy the SV package for $299.00 separately.  It was cheaper to buy them separately when I bought my PA241 as well. 
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2012, 07:24:54 AM »
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Looking at the currant prices at B&H, they have the NEC PA271W BK listed at a discounted price of $1199.00 that's $200.00 off.
But the NEC PA271W BK SV is $1649.00.


I'm looking at this purchase from B&H, too, and couldn't figure out why buying the Spectraview calibration package separately costs less than the bundled version.  Answer: add the PA271W BK SV 27 bundled version to the cart for a better price! Then it makes sense.

What I still don't know, so will have to call B&H is whether the bundled sensor is the latest MDSVSENSOR3 model or older type.  The one pictured is the older model, but the NEC website actually made mention of the fact that many retailers are still showing the old picture when it really comes with the new model. If it's the older model, then I'd be inclined to buy the PA271W BK unit and purchase the calibration package separately. The bundled package is a little cheaper but not by much.

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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2012, 01:11:31 PM »
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I just got off the phone with B&H. Rep says the bundled unit has the new sensor. But ironically, once I compared the various options in the online shopping cart, the NEC PA271W BK 27 combined with the separate NEC NESVIIPROKIT Color Sensor and SpectraView II Software Kit priced out at about $2.00 less than buying the BK-SV bundled version. Wink So, I just bought the two items separately, not because saving 2 bucks is a big deal, but just because I'm hedging my bets on getting the latest sensor kit, just in case the sales Rep is wrong.

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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2012, 10:11:42 PM »
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I received the NEC Spectraview 27"" monitor and separately purchased Spectraview II calibration package today from B&H Photo via UPS ground. As I mentioned in my previous post, I had purchased the calibration package separately to ensure I was getting the latest sensor. What I received today is exactly what was expected, ie., latest sensor design with Spectraview II software,  plus NEC MultiSync PA271W-BK 27"" monitor.

First task, start up the new monitor... First surprise, it had the same odd side-to-side uniformity issues I was experiencing with the Apple 20"" Cinema display I was replacing. My 20 inch Cinema display has thousands of hours of run time on it, and I was experiencing a subtle but annoying "darker and more greenish gray" on the left side and a "slightly lighter and more magenta gray" color on the right side of the display. Now, in terms of delta E, we might be talking about 3-4 delta E from left to right on my old monitor. I was able to successfully "ignore" the problem when softproofing, but it sure was annoying. I plugged in the the new NEC MultiSync PA271W-BK 24 monitor, fired it up, and much to my dismay it showed more or less the same non uniformity problem.  It was eery how little improvement I was getting with this new high-end expensive monitor.  Next, I installed the Spectraview II software on my computer and plugged in the latest sensor that NEC supplied with this package. I ran the calibration routine...what a straightforward joy to use! And to my delight, the non uniformity issue was gone!!!. Moral of this story: I was blaming my Apple Cinema Display non-uniformity issues on the monitor, but the culprit is my video card in my Macbook Pro computer that is used to drive the display. With a better video card, I might not have elected to replace the Cinema Display, but that's not really an option with a MacbookPro.

Once the NEC software was installed and put into play, the monitor calibration was then handed off to the higher-bit depth internal LUT on board the NEC Spectraview monitor itself, effectively bypassing the video card in my Macbook Pro. This is really what one is paying for with the NEC combined monitor/calibration bundle. The result: an impressively uniform display side-to-side with the best reproduction of this target (http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/cgi-bin/mrk/_4448ZGxkLzBeMTAwMDAwMDAwMTIzNDU2Nzg5LyoxMDM=) that I have ever achieved. The NEC Spectraview monitor with calibration package really rocks, and I learn something new every day Smiley

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Mark
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2012, 02:09:06 AM »
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Mark, SpectraView II enabled Digital Uniformity Compensation automatically - that's why color mura magically disappeared.

Wide gamut CCFL backlight gives you the better visual match with print, but it also makes display more prone to color mura, so it needs electronic compensation to fix this issue.
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2012, 08:45:47 AM »
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Will the DTP-94 unit I have not be "optimal" compared to NEC's own colorimeter for profiling the PA271W with the Spectraview II software? I know that they are compatible.
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2012, 09:03:42 AM »
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Will the DTP-94 unit I have not be "optimal" compared to NEC's own colorimeter for profiling the PA271W with the Spectraview II software? I know that they are compatible.

It will work, it isn’t optimal. You may have to futz around (a lot) to get a white point you desire to match a print.
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2012, 09:14:08 AM »
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Thanks. I already have the Spectraview II software. Does anyone sell just a colorimeter that is equivalent to the NEC branded one?
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2012, 09:18:19 AM »
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I’d try the older Colorimeter, you might be pleased as punch. Otherwise the new X-Rite i1Display Pro is supported and state of the art, or just purchase the NEC colorimeter (which should be the same with their branding) depending on what cost less.
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2012, 01:50:24 PM »
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Mark--

I am soon going to replace my MacBookPro dual core late 2010 model with the new retina display 15" MacBookPro. I am also planning to buy the NEC PA271W BK SV 27".

May I ask what model of MacBookPro you are using to drive/connect with the NEC display?  Any suggestions on how much to upgrading, is/is not, required for the retina 15" MacBookPro is much appreciated.

thanks, cheers Leszek
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2012, 04:37:44 AM »
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Any MBP will work with PA271, all you need is mDP to DP cable
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2012, 01:34:10 PM »
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Any MBP will work with PA271, all you need is mDP to DP cable

Thanks so much for your response and confirmation that the retina 15" MacBookPro interface to NEC PA271 via "Minidisplay port to display port" cable connection will be okay.

I'm looking forward to the day when I can view and work on my RAW captures using a high quality 27" display rather than my current 13" MacbookPro laptop screen.

cheers,  Leszek
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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2012, 09:31:32 PM »
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I’d try the older Colorimeter, you might be pleased as punch. Otherwise the new X-Rite i1Display Pro is supported and state of the art, or just purchase the NEC colorimeter (which should be the same with their branding) depending on what cost less.

The X-Rite i1 Display Pro and the NEC branded version are the same.

The one advantage to buying the X-Rite colorimeter is that you will also have access to the X-Rite software to calibrate any Non-NEC displays. Specraview can be purchased as a download directly from the NEC site. Maybe Spectraview can calibrate an iMac, but I'm not sure.
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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2012, 11:32:24 AM »
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Watch out for NEC's free hood promos (the light shielding monitor hood) when they give it away to anyone buying their monitors in a certain time frame. I've seen two offer periods, one in 2011, one in 2012, and scored a hood both times. Doesn't matter where in the US you buy it as long as its an authorised dealer.  A nice accessory that normally costs real $.

Here's the old offer:
http://www.necdisplay.com/communications/pdfs/1011_Free_Hood.pdf
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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2012, 01:19:02 AM »
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The result: an impressively uniform display side-to-side with the best reproduction of this target (http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/cgi-bin/mrk/_4448ZGxkLzBeMTAwMDAwMDAwMTIzNDU2Nzg5LyoxMDM=) that I have ever achieved. The NEC Spectraview monitor with calibration package really rocks, and I learn something new every day Smiley

cheers,
Mark
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Hi Mark...i wanted to check out your target/link but all i get is an empty document when downloaded...is it pc only?...i'm on an apple computer...

thanks...
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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2012, 07:46:30 AM »
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No, Spectraview s/w cannot calibrate an iMac.  On my setup, it always shows as unsupported monitor #2.  I can dblcheck though.  I use BasICColor Display for the iMac.
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2012, 12:16:26 PM »
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Hi Mark...i wanted to check out your target/link but all i get is an empty document when downloaded...is it pc only?...i'm on an apple computer...

thanks...

Try this updated link. Hopefully, it should work.
http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/cgi-bin/mrk/_4685ZGxkLzBeMjAwMDAwMDAwMTIzNDU2Nzg5LyoyMTA=

If not, the target is also available on the Aardenburg website's documents page:

http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/documents.html

cheers,
Mark
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