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« on: March 10, 2012, 01:09:31 PM »
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imo the best landscape photgrapher, michael fatali, has just taken taken a giant leap back to the 60's and the cold war. read this article(http://www.lomography.com/magazine/lifestyle/2012/03/08/much-larger-than-an-lc-a-heres-another-soviet-era-camera). i thought carrying an 8x20 was tough. but this is what makes him the best color landscape photographer in the business. nobody can say the u2 spy plane lenses are not sharp, 2 1/2' from 12 miles up. those of you like me who were kids or adults during the cuban missile crisis remember those pictures and seeing the missiles and thinking wwlll. i can only imagine the images michael will get from this camera/ lens setup, but i will be going to park city to see first hand.
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2012, 02:00:51 PM »
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The story is either poorly written or shows a basic misunderstanding of traditional film/darkroom photography. The writer infers both that the apparatus is used as an enlarger and as a camera. I doubt that is true. It's more likely it's simply a very big enlarger.

And while there is some uniqueness to using a cold-war piece of equipment, it's not an especially unique setup. With the change to digital production, newspapers and magazines around the world have been getting rid of similarly sized horizontal stat cameras with their amazing lenses, and many photographers have converted them into enlargers to make very large prints. Clyde Butcher, for instance, has been using one for years.

I think there was even a photographer a few years ago who mounted on in a van, or truck, and took it on location.

As for Fatali being the best landscape photographer in the world, I won't even go there.
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2012, 03:58:51 PM »
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I just spent a long time browsing your website Chuck, and let me just say that I love your images.  You have a gifted eye for B&Ws that I am very envious of.
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2012, 05:35:32 PM »
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I just spent a long time browsing your website Chuck, and let me just say that I love your images.  You have a gifted eye for B&Ws that I am very envious of.
I get much more out of Chuck's landscapes than I do out of Fatali's. They are all worth many visits, IMHO.

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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2012, 06:13:51 PM »
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you have to go thru the links. the camera itself is a 9x23. you end up at ken rockwell site who went into greater detail about the equipment
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2012, 06:54:37 PM »
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Yes, the Ken Rockwell who famously declares that "your camera doesn't matter."  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2012, 07:39:12 PM »
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I just spent a long time browsing your website Chuck, and let me just say that I love your images.  You have a gifted eye for B&Ws that I am very envious of.

And an extremely high level of crafting skills.
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2012, 07:47:01 PM »
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no. it is a link to an article by laura jackson called "fatali's peace mission" before you write something off make sure you know what you are writing off. in this case your reply shows you didn't look at all the evidence, just where some of it was coming from and since you don't like that person (k. r.), then you assume the info must be bad.
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2012, 08:30:38 PM »
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Matt, Eric...thanks. I appreciate the kind words.

As for the OP, I was only pointing out that the enlarger, which the article was based on, isn't all that unique.
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2012, 08:42:46 PM »
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The best Landscape Photographer is...........Peter Lik (just ask him). Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2012, 07:45:09 AM »
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@Chuck...Just read your Artist Statement from your web site. 2nd paragraph has a word omission.
"compelling beauty, even by those live on, "
Should be even by those WHO live on....

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2012, 09:30:56 AM »
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... before you write something off make sure you know what you are writing off ...

Before you go making assumptions about the members of this community, make sure you know to whom you are talking.

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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2012, 10:51:40 AM »
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@Chuck...Just read your Artist Statement from your web site. 2nd paragraph has a word omission.
"compelling beauty, even by those live on, "
Should be even by those WHO live on....
FYI

In fact, this same sentence needs further correction, as you are intertwining singular and plural nouns and verbs. Here's your entire sentence:
"These sparsely populated areas, unassuming and devoid of grandiosity, is often unappreciated for it's quiet and compelling beauty, even by those live on, and work with, the land."

Note -
"These sparsely populated areas..." should be followed by - "are often unappreciated for their quiet and compelling beauty..."

PS - Great site. I've sent you a PM.
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2012, 11:43:55 AM »
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imo the best landscape photgrapher, michael fatali . . .

I still love Ansel Adams' work. There is an exhibit of Ansel's work at Cedarhurst in south central Illinois. The prints on display are 72 of the 75 he made for his daughter in the 70's. His favorites, so the info says. There is also on display about 20 original prints by Paul Strand. Together, the exhibits reveal the dawn of contemporary landscape photography. Ansel met Strand at the Steiglitz gallery and was shown Strand's latest portfolio of "realistic" photography (no enhancements using filters, no "romantic" look as was popular at the time). Ansel went home and revised his methods. The rest is history.

http://www.cedarhurst.org/
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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2012, 12:27:45 PM »
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you know, i was not trying to wage any type of battle, i am not a fan of k r. i went from the original article to k r's page where i found out about the 9x23 u2 spy plane camera and the lens ability to resolve an object as small as 2 1/2' from 60,000' in space to laure jackson's  article on michael fatali and his use of this equipment. i thought people who lived during the cuban missile crisis like i did might find this of great interest. i do believe michael is the best, i have seen and bought his work. i think jeff beck is one hell of a guitar player but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. i thought the forum was to bring info on what was new or old and i thought people would be interested. a u2 spy plane camera for landscape photography. to me that is of interest
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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2012, 12:41:17 PM »
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For the record, I am a great fan of Fatali, Rockwell, Kimmerle and Adams (to limit the list to those in this thread, and in the order in which they were mentioned here).
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2012, 01:09:59 PM »
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While no doubt a great talent, I lost all respect for Mr. Fatali when he started a fire under Delicate Arch in order to get a shot.  

http://articles.latimes.com/2001/oct/20/news/mn-59496

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Michael Fatali, 36, of Springdale, Utah, burned four fires underneath or near Utah's most recognizable icon, Delicate Arch, according to the U.S. attorney's office. Conservationists attempted to scrub the rock Thursday, but the discoloration of the famous red sandstone proved difficult to remove.

To deface the very area you are trying to document and share with others on film goes against every ethos I stand for as a landscape photographer.  
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2012, 01:11:51 PM »
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Oh, dear God! Here we go again Sad
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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2012, 01:21:21 PM »
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Oh, dear God! Here we go again Sad

Well lets see.  How about I come and deface the most recognizable natural icon in your state (in the name of making a dollar) and then you can tell me how YOU feel about it.  I'm sorry if my strong feelings and emotions over this incident upset your penchant for the man...  

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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2012, 01:40:42 PM »
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From the news report:
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In an e-mail message sent in November to members of the photography community, Fatali apologized for what happened, saying he "seriously regretted" the incident. "I simply screwed up," he said.

Fatali has been charged with crimes in a national park, including defacing mineral resources, unauthorized fire, lighting a damaging fire, leaving it unattended and aiding and abetting. Each of the charges carries a fine of up to $5,000 and six months in prison.

His actions have certainly made it much harder for responsible landscape photographers. I wouldn't want to be banned from photographing in national parks because of his thoughtless actions. So I hope he gets the full count on all charges.

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