Photoshop CS6 public beta

[digitaldog]

As noted earlier, ACPU won't work with QTR, and just crashes.

And as noted earlier, it is the QTR guys that need to form a solution for printing their targets. That the QTR guys expect every one of their users to own Photoshop is kind of stupid IMHO.

As much as I can lay it on X-Rite, at least you can print targets from their applications. They kind of get the concept that this kind of printing is their responsibility, not Adobe’s and specifically with a single product.

[tvalleau]

I'm surprised at the level of hostility here. It's just printmaking, not religion.

[Farmer]

They were using it for printing profiling targets amongst other things. You of all people should appreciate that.
Yes, they now offer ACPU, but it famously doesn't print as it should in Windows and Adobe can't be bothered to fix it.

Can't be bothered?  How about, Dave has been working and doing some major updates to the printing workflow, among other things that he and the other engineers and staff work on?  Can't be bothered?  Honestly, what a load of crap.

Once they have some bandwidth when CS6 is bedded down, I'll bet that some time will be given to addressing many of those issues.

But, let's be clear - as Andrew has stated - the ONLY people who actually have a responsibility for ensuring that their targets can be printed are the vendors of the various packages.  ACPU is a community service - a free package to help folks because the vendors of those colour management solutions haven't taken it upon themselves to ensure that their products actually work.

tvalleau - yes, it is getting a little heated I suppose, but when people make broad accusations such as the above, it deserves to be challenged.  If you ever have the opportunity to discuss or meet with some of these people at Adobe or Apple or Microsoft etc. you'll find they're passionate, intelligent, hard working people and they simply don't deserve rubbish such as being told "they can't be bothered".

[tvalleau]

If you ever have the opportunity to discuss or meet with some of these people at Adobe or Apple or Microsoft etc. you'll find they're passionate, intelligent, hard working people

Right you are. I started working with Apple in 1978, and when I retired after 30+ years, got a nice phone call from Steve. I went to college with many of the core group (Bill Atkinson, Jef Raskin, et al) so I've had the pleasure of having known them for many, many years now. (I still see Bill now and then, (usually along with Charlie Cramer) at The Center for Photographic Art in Carmel...)

[Rhossydd]

Can't be bothered?  How about, Dave has been working and doing some major updates to the printing workflow, among other things that he and the other engineers and staff work on?  Can't be bothered? 

Adobe isn't some one man band shareware outfit run by a guy called 'Dave' it's a huge multi-national. If they could be bothered, fixing the minor issue of print resizing in ACPU would be next to nothing for a software company of this size with it's resources and expertise.
Corporately Adobe can't be bothered, if they were it would have been fixed within weeks of it's original release. They just don't care about this.

[Farmer]

You're just so wrong.  They have finite resources which, as with any corporation, are allocated with the intent of generating some benefit to the company (usually revenue, be it directly or indirectly).

The people who run the company are not faceless robots - they are also just real people.  Everyone thinks it's so easy to just "put resources into doing X or Y or Z" but then they'll be the first ones to complain that A or B or C aren't done as a result.

Not being a high priority is not the same as not being bothered and it's just selfish and rude to expect that something "should have been done" just because you think it should have been.

Let's be clear.  It's NOT Adobe's responsibility to provide a tool to let OTHER vendors' software or solutions work.  That they did come up with a tool is a recognition of a need within their customer base and a desire to to help with that need.  Of course it's not just a benevolent society, in so doing they presumably hope to gain some benefit, either through improved customer satisfaction or some other means.  That's fine - that's the point of a company.  It's also possible (and likely) that individuals within the company want to do these sorts of things because of their passion and interest in the industry in which they work.

[tom b]

Adobe software:

Acrobat X Pro
Acrobat X Standard
Acrobat X Suite
Acrobat.com
After Effects® CS5.5
AIR®
AudienceManager
AudienceResearch
Audition® CS5.5
Adobe Auditude
Authorware® 7
BrowserLab
Business Catalyst®
Adobe Captivate® 5.5
Central Pro Output Server
Collage
Connect
ColdFusion® 9
ColdFusion Builder™ 2
Color Lava
Content Server 4
Contribute® CS5
CQ Digital Asset Management
CQ Web Content Management
CS Live
CreatePDF
CS Review
Creative Cloud™
Creative Suite Extension Builder 1.5
Creative Suite 5.5 Design Premium
Creative Suite 5.5 Design Standard
Creative Suite 5.5 Master Collection
Creative Suite 5.5 Web Premium
Creative Suite 5.5 Production Premium
CRX
Debut
Digital Publishing Suite, Professional Edition
Digital Editions
Digital Marketing Suite
Digital Publishing Suite, Single Edition
Digital Publishing Suite, Enterprise Edition
Director® 11.5
Discover™
Distiller Server 8
Dreamweaver CS5.5
Drive 3
Eazel
EchoSign®
eLearning Suite 2.5
Encore®
ExportPDF
Fireworks® CS5
Flash Access®
Flash Builder® 4.6
Flash Media Playback
Flash Media Live Encoder
Flash Media Server
FrameMaker® 10
Flash Media Server on Amazon Web Services™
Flash Player
Flash Professional CS5.5
Flash Video Streaming Services
Flex 4.6
Font Folio® 11.1
FormsCentral
FrameMaker Server 10
FreeHand® MX
Genesis™
HTTP Dynamic Streaming
Ideas
Illustrator CS5
InContext Editing
InCopy® CS5.5
InDesign® CS5.5
InDesign CS5.5 Server
Insight
JRun™ 4
Kuler®
Kuler mobile
Adobe LeanPrint
LiveCycle Enterprise Suite 3
Media Encoder
Multi-Channel Advertising Technology
Nav
OnLocation™
Output Designer
Output Pak for mySAP.com
Ovation®
PageMaker® 7.0
Pass
PhoneGap™ Build
Photoshop CS5
Photoshop CS5 Extended
Photoshop Elements 10
Photoshop Elements 10 & Adobe Premiere® Elements 10
Photoshop Lightroom 4
Photoshop Touch
Photoshop.com
Adobe Premiere Elements 10
Adobe Premiere Express
Adobe Premiere Pro CS5.5
Presenter 7
Proto
Publish
Reader® X
Recommendations
Revel™
RoboHelp® 9
RoboHelp Server 9
Scene7®
SearchCenter+
Search&Promote
SendNow
Shockwave® Player
SiteCatalyst®
Social
SocialAnalytics
Soundbooth® CS5
Story
Survey
TagManager
Technical Communication Suite 3.5
Test&Target™
Test&Target 1:1
Typekit
Type products
Visual Communicator® 3
Web Fonts
Web Output Pak

Come on now, you can't please everyone.

Cheers,

[Rhossydd]

You're just so wrong.

Why are you such an apologist for them ? Offering something that doesn't work as it should reflects worse of the corporation than not offering anything at all.

[digitaldog]

Offering something that doesn't work as it should reflects worse of the corporation than not offering anything at all.

Actually it works exactly as designed and as others have expressed here, for good reason. You don’t like the design decision. But it works. And the idea that implementing a feature used by few, confuses far more, adds extra tech support and documentation issues all to help a 3rd party manufacturer who should be controlling this process seems lost on many.

[Rhossydd]

Actually it works exactly as designed

You think it's designed to resize targets then ? never seen that suggested before.

[Alan Goldhammer]

ACPU does downsize patch targets by a small amount when used on Win7 systems.  I have no idea what it does on MacOS as I don't have a Mac.  While the change is measurable, it has absolutely no effect at all on the ability of an i1 Pro to read patches.  I use ArgyllCMS to generate & read patches and prepare profiles both for myself and other photographers.  For those who are sending me targets I ask them to print them out using ACPU and I've not received a patch set that I cannot read.  If you have concerns about the 3% change in patch size (which is what I think it is), you can resize your patch set in PS before either using it or sending it out to others.  I don't think this is a big deal.  ACPU was provided as a service to deal with the OS change requirements.  As with a lot of other things this has caused consternation and adaptation.  At least one Adobe engineer has stated a disagreement with this change in terms of the elimination of the use of ABW profiles when printing using MacOS and Epson printers so I don't think there is a big cabal out there trying to dictate things to us.

[digitaldog]

You think it's designed to resize targets then ? never seen that suggested before.

Photoshop’s print dialog? Sure is if you want to. Been that way for years and years. As is design of  the newer CS6 omission of the RGB working spaces and CS5’s No Color Management option. Those who need to print targets don’t like it but they are a tiny subset of users which was my point.

[Gandalf]

I'm too lazy to read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has been discussed, but is anyone else having problems with Photokit crashing CS6? There is something in there making a mess. Also, is there a way to set a tool or a tool preset as part of an action? I need to be able to quickly crop images to specific pixel dimensions for a client and I can't figure out how to select as tool preset as part of an action.

[Farmer]

I'm not an apologist.  I'm a realist.  It's not particularly appropriate to label someone an apologist just because they disagree with you.  It's better not to label others and just deal with the points at hand.

[Schewe]

I'm too lazy to read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has been discussed, but is anyone else having problems with Photokit crashing CS6?

There are a couple of known issues that will be addressed when CS6 actually ships. The current versions of our V2 products should be more or less compatible. What version of PKS are you running?

[Rhossydd]

I'm not an apologist.  I'm a realist.  It's not particularly appropriate to label someone an apologist just because they disagree with you. 

Well you've come over as someone who is vigorously defending Adobe as if they are some small operation with very limited resources, maybe as another person with their own commercial interests at stake.
Yes, be a 'realist' and accommodating with the little guys charging small amounts for specialist software that will never be able to incorporate all their users expectations, but if you take that attitude with the companies that charge the really big bucks for their products and dominate the market, they start to dominate their users instead of serving them.

[johnbeardy]

Why not just say "sorry"? Putting the boot on the other foot, how would you have liked to have been labelled as a constant whiner? And it's rather tiresome that you keep resorting to insinuations that disagreement with your assertions is motivated by self-interest.

[Farmer]

Your views of corporations are, well, interesting.

[BobFisher]

This thread is now 7 pages long and probably 3 or 4 of those pages have dealt with an issue that is faced by very few and one or two of those very few have been pissing and moaning for these 3 or 4 pages.  Face facts:  You're not getting the feature back.  Deal with it and move on.  Let some other people get their questions answered. 

[stamper]

Some people enjoy the whining, it is part of their nature and It's important for them not to allow the facts and pertinent answers to detract from the enjoyment.