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« on: March 30, 2012, 04:57:49 PM »
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OK, it's Art - but is it Photography?

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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2012, 05:25:54 PM »
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Photo-illustration? Photomontage?
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2012, 05:28:09 PM »
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Photomagicography?
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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2012, 12:28:33 AM »
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Photo-illustration? Photomontage?
Photomontage  à la John Heartfield - but is this now just clone and layer, ordinary digital image making with photoshop ;-)

If this camera art is like photomontage does that start to explain the reluctance of some to celebrate the success of Andreas Gursky's work in the Art world, the reluctance that you previously found so puzzling?

It doesn't seem like what used to be thought of as photography, any more than collage seems like photography. It seems more like the appropriation of photographic images - pseudo photography, camera art.
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2012, 02:58:31 PM »
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"Photography" is a misnomer. Heliography is the original, and proper, term.
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2012, 10:18:03 AM »
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"Photography" is a misnomer. Heliography is the original, and proper, term.

Would that cover work that does not use the sun as light source?
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2012, 08:32:47 PM »
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Photomagicography?

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But of course, if it's on MoCP it must be art!!

The lesson here - do something so one has done before and be bold about it. Be "in" with the right crowd and they will start to believe that it's art, even if it does't mean anything to anyone.
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2012, 10:11:26 AM »
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But of course, if it's on MoCP it must be art!!
Here's the question again - But is it photography?
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2012, 11:29:01 AM »
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...even if it does't mean anything to anyone.
So it doesn't mean anything to anyone because....?

Please do more than pluck a judgement out of thin air.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2012, 08:20:27 PM »
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But of course, if it's on MoCP it must be art!!

The lesson here - do something so one has done before and be bold about it. Be "in" with the right crowd and they will start to believe that it's art, even if it does't mean anything to anyone.
You sound like someone who's angry about a rejection notice they recently received.
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2012, 04:49:51 PM »
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It's essentially a photographic collage, done with Photoshop. Not conceptually much different than what Jerry Uelsmann (or a lot of other people) did with film-based photography.

My question would not be whether it's photography, but whether it's art? (But then, I have a rather narrow view of what constitutes art, and it's NOT whatever somebody says it is.) I think photographic art involves very careful, serious, investigations of reality, and almost automatically excludes anything Photoshopped. Photoshopping (in the usual sense of that word; I'm not referring to minor adjustments) automatically obscures initial conditions, and so has little to say about reality.

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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2012, 05:53:26 PM »
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... TV is showing two polar bears having sex. Makes it hard to concentrate... 

Or, in other words, you could bearly concentrate?
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2012, 12:24:05 PM »
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My question would not be whether it's photography, but whether it's art?

ART; The Picnic That Never Was New York Times, November 21, 2004
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2012, 07:08:59 PM »
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Here in Australia it would be most likely referred to as Photo-media and not Photography.

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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2012, 01:58:45 AM »
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Art to the masses is what ever is packaged and spoon fed to who ever swallows as "art" for the sake of the word having of mass importance and meaning. It could be a ton of bricks. If a big mouth BS artist with the right audience says it is art. So it be....Art for the masses. The word art is like any other term the promoter decides it to be....
wmd, terrorism, insurgents, settlers, pro-life, bauhaus....etc.  these words too are designed to sell you something...The idea, the feeling, or the lack of.  It is all an art form.  The question is.....Whos buying it?

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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2012, 03:14:15 AM »
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Art to the masses is what ever is packaged and spoon fed to who ever swallows as "art" for the sake of the word having of mass importance and meaning. It could be a ton of bricks. If a big mouth BS artist with the right audience says it is art. So it be....Art for the masses. The word art is like any other term the promoter decides it to be....
wmd, terrorism, insurgents, settlers, pro-life, bauhaus....etc.  these words too are designed to sell you something...The idea, the feeling, or the lack of.  It is all an art form.  The question is.....Whos buying it?



Presumably, the small clique that's always buying and selling it; it circulates therein and the perceived value builds or falls, all embraced in the mini-climate and ecosphere within which it exists. That the excluded, rest of the world doesn't see the rules and values of the game matters not a jot.

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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2012, 04:20:51 PM »
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But "the picture sold too fast," he said. "It must have been priced too low." He is philosophical, nonetheless: "Every picture has three prices - yesterday's, today's and tomorrow's. If it has yesterday's price, it's a bargain; today's is fairly priced, and tomorrow's, you have to wait a while before it achieves its value."

New York Times - March 13, 2005
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« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2012, 03:14:53 PM »
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Sure, it is photography. Photography is rather a broad discipline.
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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2012, 09:48:13 PM »
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Perhaps you've found the crux - if we feel photography should be broadly defined then..., but if we feel photography should be narrowly defined then...
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