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« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2012, 06:18:20 AM »
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Not wishing to muddy the waters or anything, but the little Nikon P&S cameras we used at work ....
With respect you are.

This thread is dealing with the output of one of the finest DSLRs available, not some cheap camera with very limited options.
The choice of how "SOOC" files look is very wide ranging if you use all the options available, when using RAW almost anything is possible.
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« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2012, 11:34:48 AM »
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Not sure if this would be the look you are after, but just as an example - my preference (LR Cloudy WB) on the left, "golden/brown look" on the right:
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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2012, 01:37:28 PM »
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Jess,

something else seriously to consider is trying another converter.

Much as I appreciate Lr, I'll bet that Capture One gets you much closer to your aspirations here - it's pretty well known for its rich colour rendition.
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« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2012, 02:49:13 PM »
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For that last example, I think you may have confused the author of the image with the OP of that thread.  Go back to the original flickr link of that image in question (http://www.flickr.com/groups/weddingphoto/discuss/72157626762577636/) and scroll down halfway through the page, you’ll see the author of that image (nessa k) posted 3 examples of it:  SOOC, LR edit and Alien Skin edit.

So SOOC, a LR edit and Alien Skin is about as far away from SOOC as you can get. If you are really smitten with this effect I suggest Alien Skin is your first port of call followed by a little more adjusting in LR. Another factor that you have not mentioned is the lighting. Very hard to get the same look with different light.
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« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2012, 03:07:06 PM »
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It's not the camera, its the time of day....and possibly a fill gold reflector.
Bottom line, it's the light, or not sooc.....and looking at it again, the mix of examples I do see at least one with warmer added to roughly 245 and below illumination. since ther eare many ways to skin a cat, your interpretation may vary on that  Wink
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« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2012, 10:04:51 AM »
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Hi guys, sorry to sound like a d**k considering I'm new and all here but you're all wrong.  Jesterb is completely right, tones like this are quite possible SOOC (more SOOC than RAW actually) and I have the answer to this conundrum! Smiley  This is based on working with the master of warm tones himself recently (Daniel Aguilar) and having a similar issue trying to match up my Sony files with what I get out of the Nikon.  If you care about this an want to know more PM Me!
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« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2012, 10:51:00 AM »
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Hi guys, sorry to sound like a d**k ...

You do... but apology duly noted Wink
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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2012, 12:23:11 PM »
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Hi guys, sorry to sound like a d**k considering I'm new and all here but you're all wrong.

Snip...

If you care about this an want to know more PM Me!

Yeah, you are new here and posting a message on a thread telling people to PM you for more information completely defeats the purpose of having a public discussion forum...if you have information to share, share it...if you are soliciting recruits (which is what it seems like) forget about it...

So, you say we're all wrong? Prove it bud...
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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2012, 03:07:34 PM »
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Am i glad i use lightroom developing my raw images, i work together with two photogs both use canon, i use nikon.
no problem in getting the color look of the different cameras quite similar. Which is great if together you do the photography of a marriage. Personally i do not care at all for what apparently is a canon or a nikon look. Only in my own look and signature of my photos.
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« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2012, 03:25:27 AM »
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We use both Canon and Nikon gear, my experience is that both are silimar-ish, with if anything the nikon very slightly cooler (default settings) it was popular at one time for shooters to "dial in" some warmth in the cameras custom settings, I wonder if thats a factor here?
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« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2012, 03:42:10 PM »
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The DNG Profile Editor allows to swap the look between Nikon and Canon for example,
means to create a profile for a Nikon camera but with a Canon-matching-table, or vice versa.

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« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2012, 04:37:36 AM »
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Hi guys, sorry to sound like a d**k considering I'm new and all here but you're all wrong.  Jesterb is completely right, tones like this are quite possible SOOC (more SOOC than RAW actually) and I have the answer to this conundrum! Smiley  This is based on working with the master of warm tones himself recently (Daniel Aguilar) and having a similar issue trying to match up my Sony files with what I get out of the Nikon.  If you care about this an want to know more PM Me!

You sound like someone who has just parachuted in from the jungles of dpreview? I think you will find that the members here have a little more decorum and it would possibly be better to introduce yourself in a more friendly manner? Wink
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« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2012, 02:05:07 PM »
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If these are SOOC files, maybe he has adjusted the Camera Profile to accomplish the look.  The Nikon D700 has 8 camera profiles available for use in the camera.  The profiles are D2X Mode 1, D2X Mode 2, D2X Mode 3, Standard, Neutral, Portrait, Landscape, and Vivid - not all of these are already installed in the camera, but are available to load into the camera.  You can also make adjustment to the Profiles in the camera.  Adjustments available are Hue (-3, -2, -1, 0, +1, +2, +3), Contrast (-3, -2, -1, 0, +1, +2, +3, A), Saturation (-3, -2, -1, 0, +1, +2, +3, A), Brightness (-1, 0, +1), and Sharpness (0 through 9, A), where A is Automatic. You can also modify the Tone Curve using Picture Control Software and load these into the camera.  

You can duplicate all of these in Lightroom or ACR.  You duplicate Hue using the Primary Red, Green, and Blue Hue adjustments and set all three to eaual values.  You can also do the same for Saturation by using the Primary Red, Green, and Blue Saturation adjustments by setting all three to the same value.  Set Contrast by using custom curves.  Set Brightness using Exposure and Sharpness using the sharpness settings.  

What you don't have is profiles for your Canon camera with the Nikon look.  You can generate these using the DNG Profile Editor, which is described in the "Adobe DNG Profile Editor Tutorial" PDF that is available on the Adobe Site (see Tutorial 2).
 
  http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/photoshop/pdfs/cs6/DNGProfile_EditorDocumentation.pdf

I have a D700 and tried the following using Nikon Capture NX2.  I selected Portrait as the profile to use, set Hue to +2, Saturation to +1, and Contrast to +1.  This appears to be in the right direction to duplicate what you want.  I then tried this is Adobe Camera RAW (Photoshop CS6), selected Camera Portrait v4, set Primary Red, Green, and Blue Hue to +14, set Primary Red, Green, and Blue Saturation to +7, and selected Medium Curve for the Point curve instead of the Straight Line that is the default for ACR7.2.  Try this in Lightroom with you Canon file using the Camera Portrait for the profile. 

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« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2012, 03:06:39 PM »
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What you don't have is profiles for your Canon camera with the Nikon look.  You can generate these using the DNG Profile Editor, which is described in the "Adobe DNG Profile Editor Tutorial" PDF that is available on the Adobe Site (see Tutorial 2).
 
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/photoshop/pdfs/cs6/DNGProfile_EditorDocumentation.pdf

The method I was referring to does not seem to be documented:
With a "Canon DNG" opened in the Profile Editor, go to Color Tables > Base Profile > Choose external profile … and select any Nikon Camera Matching profile as shipped. Hence, the profiles are blended under the hood, and the initial Canon profile gets furnished with a Nikon-look-table. No further work needed, just export the new profile.

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« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2012, 04:54:47 PM »
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« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2012, 05:10:36 PM »
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Just a quick note: the OP left the thread in May, just one day after he started it. The thread was his only presence on LuLa. I am not saying we shouldn't keep discussing the issue, though, perhaps for the benefit of other people with similar questions. Just saying that the OP apparently did not like what he heard here and left.
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« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2012, 05:14:21 PM »
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Just a quick note: the OP left the thread in May, just one day after he started it. The thread was his only presence on LuLa. I am not saying we shouldn't keep discussing the issue, though, perhaps for the benefit of other people with similar questions. Just saying that the OP apparently did not like what he heard here and left.

Thanks for the history briefing and I just removed my above comments to keep this place tidy.
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« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2012, 12:37:01 PM »
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Just a quick note: the OP left the thread in May, just one day after he started it. The thread was his only presence on LuLa. I am not saying we shouldn't keep discussing the issue, though, perhaps for the benefit of other people with similar questions. Just saying that the OP apparently did not like what he heard here and left.

The other one shot wonder was sonywedtog - the thread was dead until he appeared on 8 nov 12.

Oh well, it was surely entertaining for a while - I enjoyed the repartee.

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