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« Reply #80 on: July 24, 2012, 12:51:16 PM »
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I'm afraid you're right. Seems we've taken up improving our ignorance with a vengeance.

And I don't see anything wrong with "gotten." I use it all the time. Give me a nice, concise synonym.


Perhaps it's a U.S. thing; in Britain we do say ill-gotten gains, but I can't, off the cuff, think of another instance when we'd use it.

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« Reply #81 on: July 24, 2012, 01:15:15 PM »
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Please explain.

Technically, an argumentum ad hominem refers to an attempt to dismiss or negate an argument/line of reasoning by attacking the person, not the argument. Attaching a negative characteristic to the individual, is used to undermine their case.

So, "Chairman Bill is such a horrible person, therefore his views on photography are execrable" would be an ad hom. I might be horrible, but that has no bearing on my views vis a vis photography.

In contrast, "Chairman Bill is just a horrible person" doesn't constitute an ad hominem, even though it could be seen as a personal attack.
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« Reply #82 on: July 24, 2012, 01:20:27 PM »
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Technically, an argumentum ad hominem refers to an attempt to dismiss or negate an argument/line of reasoning by attacking the person, not the argument. Attaching a negative characteristic to the individual, is used to undermine their case.


Right. Like dismissing one's argument by saying that they need to "grow up".
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« Reply #83 on: July 24, 2012, 01:31:59 PM »
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No, he seems to have dismissed your argument, then added that comment for free
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« Reply #84 on: July 24, 2012, 01:54:31 PM »
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No, he seems to have dismissed your argument, then added that comment for free

LOL whether it was before, after or within his opening statement, it's part of his entire rebuttal and therefore still qualifies.
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« Reply #85 on: July 24, 2012, 03:04:05 PM »
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LOL whether it was before, after or within his opening statement, it's part of his entire rebuttal and therefore still qualifies.

No, not really.

Perhaps if you could be bothered to understand the terms you're trying to use, this wouldn't be so difficult for you.
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« Reply #86 on: July 24, 2012, 03:44:53 PM »
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C'mon girls! You are hardly the first, nor the last, to "beg this question" (i.e., raise the issue), and you are definitely not the ones to solve it.

How about just shaking hands (or not) and moving on? The pissing match is getting boring, you know.
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« Reply #87 on: July 24, 2012, 04:44:29 PM »
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No, not really.

Perhaps if you could be bothered to understand the terms you're trying to use, this wouldn't be so difficult for you.

Yes, really. I've made my case. You haven't made any case. You have managed to hurl personal insults, however. Congratulations.
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« Reply #88 on: July 24, 2012, 04:44:45 PM »
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C'mon girls! You are hardly the first, nor the last, to "beg this question" (i.e., raise the issue), and you are definitely not the ones to solve it.

How about just shaking hands (or not) and moving on? The pissing match is getting boring, you know.

Agreed. I'm done.
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« Reply #89 on: July 24, 2012, 05:22:01 PM »
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Yes, really. I've made my case. You haven't made any case. You have managed to hurl personal insults, however. Congratulations.

Yes.  My case was that you don't know what you're talking about, and incorrectly trying to use terms you don't understand.  I'll let your posts speak for themselves.

Ironically, there wasn't even a personal insult; but rather an admonition to both try and understand those words and grow up.

Sorry that you feel insulted by that.
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« Reply #90 on: July 24, 2012, 05:30:10 PM »
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C'mon girls! You are hardly the first, nor the last, to "beg this question" (i.e., raise the issue), and you are definitely not the ones to solve it.

How about just shaking hands (or not) and moving on? The pissing match is getting boring, you know.

LOL?  "Girls"?  Not in this case.

Fine, it's done.
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« Reply #91 on: July 25, 2012, 12:24:04 AM »
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It's very obvious that the photo is work of professional photographer with assistance of another professional stylist or photographer.
The creators skillfully placed half-opened backpack on the left side so that it leads the viewer's eye to the hand of the girl with which she signals to the assistant holding the reflector to position it slightly higher.

Compositionally, the main part of the scene is arranged in the shape of a large triangle that contains additional sub-triangles, namely both arms; one arm and the head with falling hair; and the legs clad in deep blue jeans, one of them showcasing a new shoe. Even the face of the baby and its hood resemble two triangles. Finally, by using a wide angle lens, the photographer masterfully added the alley itself as another triangle in the background.

It's regrettable that the photographer overlooked the potential to arrange also the backpack into a triangle shape. Closing it on the top or squeezing gently the opened flaps would have done the trick. Otherwise, it is a great composition with a lot of fine geometry. Clearly, a lot of preparation, professional expertise, thought, and planning had been put into the creation of this image.
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« Reply #92 on: July 25, 2012, 01:12:45 AM »
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It's very obvious that the photo is work of professional photographer...

Anyone want to offer me a job?  Cheesy

Thanks Les.  And thanks also for the education on linguistics and logical fallacies. 
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« Reply #93 on: July 26, 2012, 06:23:29 AM »
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Anyone want to offer me a job?  Cheesy

Thanks Les.  And thanks also for the education on linguistics and logical fallacies. 

Jennifer, all joking aside you described yourself as a professional photographer in an earlier post, and then you ask if anyone can offer you a job.  Do you have a website for your professional work?  The link to your galleries shows a lot of quite good photography - but most of it will not have much commercial application, and might confuse a potential client.  On a practical point it may be best to have another site just dedicated to the kind of work you particularly want to be commissioned for.  Of course you may already have this.  What sort of work do you do, or want to do?

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« Reply #94 on: July 26, 2012, 08:11:36 AM »
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Jim,

Apologies if I implied that I'm a professional.  I've sold some work, taken a more than a couple of commissions, been published and exhibited in group shows a few times.  I don't make my primary living with a camera.  Long story, but this might be changing soon.

Funny you mentioned the website.  I'm close to releasing a more focussed site of my stuff under my own name.  Still struggling with the "about me" write up as well as some image selections and organisation.  The initial intent is to support gaining a solo exhibit.  Beyond that, I'm patient. 
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« Reply #95 on: July 26, 2012, 10:31:28 AM »
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No apologies needed I assure you - a lot of people claim to be professional but in my experience not many of them make their living solely from photography.  And of course there is nothing wrong with that as long as they are not kidding themselves.  Being part-time or even completely amateur in no way implies any lesser ability or creativity, in fact quite often the reverse is true.  Much of your work is very interesting and good, I was just really pointing out that generally professional photographers have a more focussed portfolio - at least the better ones tend to.  I mainly photograph people, and even then I think my website is diluted because it encompasses weddings, portraits and schools.  A specialist website for each of these might be better. 

My advice is find something you are really good at and go for that, doing anything else you have to do on the side in addition.  I would also say as far as you can, try to do it your way - to succeed nowadays you have be good, and to charge a good rate you might have to be a bit different, so no point copying anyone else.

Best wishes

Jim
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