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« on: August 24, 2012, 10:04:11 AM »
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I see that Canon Japan have  launched the new iPF LF printers on their web site.

12 Colors – Lucia EX with a 20% larger gamut
9400 with 60 inch print area
25% faster print speed
Better black performance
Price: 1,998,000 yen

http://cweb.canon.jp/imageprograf/lineup/ipf8400/index.html

As with the x300 launch I see that the printer division isn't quite so keen on coordinating announcement info around the world ;-)

Anyway, now it's been let out, I'll keep any updated info I find in one place
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/printers/canon6400-8400.html

Looking forward to checking out the new EX inks in an x400 compared to my 8300 :-)
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2012, 10:16:48 AM »
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Keith,

The 6300 and 8300 have Lucia EX ink. I believe this announcement will result in the additional reported 20% gamut increase to the 9300, bringing it up to the level of the 6300 and 8300. I don't see any change in the ink for the 6400 and 8400.
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2012, 10:17:59 AM »
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Dang! I just bought mind about 8 months ago!
Its time to look for a trade in

Aaron
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2012, 10:58:25 AM »
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Keith,

The 6300 and 8300 have Lucia EX ink. I believe this announcement will result in the additional reported 20% gamut increase to the 9300, bringing it up to the level of the 6300 and 8300. I don't see any change in the ink for the 6400 and 8400.

Thanks - in my haste, I copied the 9400 info, forgetting that there was't a 9300.

I guess the changes will be a bit more subtle then ;-)
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2012, 11:04:32 AM »
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The 6400 gets 300ml ink tanks which is nice for heavy users.
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2012, 11:36:00 AM »
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I just did a Google Translate on the 6400 info, and it too reports 20% larger gamut and enhanced black.The Lucia EX ink is also described somewhat differently from its description on the 6300/8300. The new 20% HAS to be in comparison to the 6300/8300 generation, or it's misleading. The only other significant change I can find on the 6400 is that it can now take 300 ml ink tanks (note the hump on the left side of the body in the pictures). Since the 8300 already takes 330 and 700 ml tanks, the 8400 would be an 8300 if the inks weren't improved. They claim another 20% speedup on glossy photos, but I tend to read that as a new print mode, rather than a faster engine -since they are so specific to glossy photos. Interestingly, the stand is optional on the 6400 in Japan, but it was on the 6300 as well!

The change from the x000 to x100 lines was similar - an improvement in gamut without a renamed ink line. It was actually possible to fit the new heads and inks (as I recall, only a couple of inks changed) to an older printer. If that is true this time, there will be a "hack" printer that has no real Canon equivalent, because a 6300 running 6400 ink and heads (assuming the heads are new) will still lack the 300 ml capability. If the (expensive) heads are the same and there are only a couple of new inks (almost certainly one or more of the blacks - could they have tweaked something in the magentas and reds as well, to deal with Epson's orange?), a 6300 running 6400 ink becomes a very interesting option for a lot of lower-volume users - buy a deeply discounted 6300 (the 6400 is the same price as a 6300 in Japan, so they'll have to put big discounts on the 6300 to move them) and 130 ml versions of the 2-3 new cartridges, then install most of the starter cartridges, but the purchased cartridges for the changed colors. If there are more than 2-3 new cartridges, or the heads are different, it is probably too expensive to be worth doing unless you could sell the 6300 heads (or 6300s are going for a ridiculously low price).

The lack of a 5400 suggests that the 17" printer has moved to the Pixma line, and we may see a 17" Pixma Pro-1.
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2012, 11:44:56 AM »
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So looks like the 9400 will be placed about 3x the price of the 8400.  But consider this..."Realized in large-format photo-quality art print is also 60 inches of power."  I love it when Chrome translates dirty!

Will be interesting to see if Canon is gonna continue taking the "first one is free" attitude on this new series, or stick it to us.

Hard to decipher bit on the 8400 page..."Adjust the paper printing (one) 36 in. × 5m (mouth coated paper thickness)."  Does that mean better sheet handling, or something?

Also it appears the 8400 does indeed use the new EX Lucia ink variation, which apparently improves the blacks somehow, which I always though were plenty good enough.
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2012, 12:14:00 PM »
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Let me just say that there are a lot of false assumptions floating around out there (and here) and that we should wait until the embargo has lifted so that those in the know can actually talk.
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2012, 12:31:44 PM »
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Exactly, never assume when marketing types are speaking.  Or better yet, assume they want your money and will fib to get it.

I clicked the button below the statements about 20% larger gamut, and it took me to http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fcweb.canon.jp%2Fimageprograf%2Flineup%2Fipf6400%2Ffeatures.html%23luciaex

Where it is comparing the 6400's gamut to that of the 6100, and not the 6300.  It sounds like it is just a statement about Lucia EX vs Lucia.

Less clear what the improved blacks are about, but the translated statement sounds like they are (again) just comparing Lucia EX to Lucia.

Also on the page:  the 20% speedup refers specifically to glossy, this time comparing to the 6300.  Makes no mention of matte, though.

Looking forward to reviewers like Keith getting these so that we can learn more about them.
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2012, 12:41:20 PM »
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Let me just say that there are a lot of false assumptions floating around out there (and here) and that we should wait until the embargo has lifted so that those in the know can actually talk.

Sure - that's where you are located, but other Canon locations -were- happy to talk about it

Looks as if the dates vary all over the place, so let the fun continue, until you can join in ;-)

BTW, I've also seen another Canon announcement slated for 12th September - but that's from Canon Rumors ;-)
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2012, 01:00:51 PM »
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Sure - that's where you are located, but other Canon locations -were- happy to talk about it

Looks as if the dates vary all over the place, so let the fun continue, until you can join in ;-)

BTW, I've also seen another Canon announcement slated for 12th September - but that's from Canon Rumors ;-)

Well, we're now 25 days from the start of Photokina 2012. I'm pretty sure we'll know for sure by then ...

Cheers,
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2012, 01:49:20 PM »
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Sure - that's where you are located, but other Canon locations -were- happy to talk about it

Leave it to Japan to spill the beans early...

Looks as if the dates vary all over the place, so let the fun continue, until you can join in ;-)

I'm gonna join in now...

BTW, I've also seen another Canon announcement slated for 12th September - but that's from Canon Rumors ;-)

Canon USA and Europe announcements should come on Sept 12th.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2012, 02:01:30 PM »
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The x400 series is, for the most part, an incremental update - nothing earth shattering this time around. The inks are the same as in the x300 and most the parts are the same (button, screens, paper handling parts) etc. Naturally, there are a number of small improvements hardly worth mentioning - a lot of stuff in the firmware. TheMCT tool is getting expanded so one can monitor the calibration state and profiles on a network, etc.

The big deal with this series is that it implements new screening technology that they've been working on for a long time. It simultaneously allows for faster printing and better dot placement.

And the 64x0 now accepts 130ml and 300ml ink cartridges. The spectro option (6450) will be attractive to some proofing environments. The boxes added for the larger ink tanks and spectro are, let's say, not particularly sexy.

And of course a 9300 never came out so the 9400 will be nice to see for the 60" crowd.

So, 24", 44" and 60" printers with faster printing and better dot placement. That's what this new series really means to most of the crowd here at LuLa.

Personally, I think the Lucia EX inkset is the best one on the market and clearly an improvement over Epson's HDR inkset. I think they could improve it even further if they ditch the bronzy blue for a gloss optimizer and maybe the red for another gray. But it's the hardware platform that's getting long in the tooth.  I'd like to see a whole new iPF line of printers resigned from the ground up that resembles something modern like the Pro-1 ... or an Epson 9900, iPad, Mini Cooper, Porsche or something along those lines! A printer with super fast paper loading and unloading, a touch sensitive color screen, careful paper handling and less noise. It takes a few years for big change like that to happen at Canon.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2012, 02:27:25 PM »
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And no iPF5400. It would be nice to see competition in the 3880 or 4900 category. Or on the iPF6400 a kind of sheet cassette as available on the iPF615 etc CAD models, loading the next sheet while the printer is already printing a sheet. Some information around whether Canon is still interested in the 17" sheet printer market ?

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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2012, 02:31:33 PM »
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And no iPF5400. It would be nice to see competition in the 3880 or 4900 category. Or on the iPF6400 a kind of sheet cassette as available on the iPF615 etc CAD models, loading the next sheet while the printer is already printing a sheet. Some information around whether Canon is still interested in the 17" sheet printer market ?

I agree and all of this has been discussed at high levels for several years now. But we're not going to see anything this time around. It takes years for big change to happen.
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2012, 02:50:51 PM »
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I agree and all of this has been discussed at high levels for several years now. But we're not going to see anything this time around. It takes years for big change to happen.

Yikes, a 5400 or some lighter smaller footprint to better compete against the Epson 3880/4890/4900 units seems like kind of a no-brainer. But what do I know  Grin
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2012, 02:52:50 PM »
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Yikes, a 5400 or some lighter smaller footprint to better compete against the Epson 3880/4890/4900 units seems like kind of a no-brainer. But what do I know  Grin

Boy do I hear you! A 17" Pro-1 would be sweet right?
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2012, 02:56:02 PM »
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I just did a Google Translate on the 6400 info, and it too reports 20% larger gamut and enhanced black.The Lucia EX ink is also described somewhat differently from its description on the 6300/8300. The new 20% HAS to be in comparison to the 6300/8300 generation, or it's misleading.
or written by a marketing type who didn't realize they 9400 is finally catching up to the 8300. If they ink's were improved that much, they'd give them a new name.  I think they just wrote the piece wrong implying the 9100-9400 gamut gain applied to all the x400 models.
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2012, 02:57:36 PM »
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...I think they just wrote the piece wrong implying the 9100-9400 gamut gain...

Yes, that's exactly right.
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2012, 03:12:39 PM »
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Boy do I hear you! A 17" Pro-1 would be sweet right?

Yup, that would be nice, too, but how about a 17 incher with the exact same 8400/9400 ink set, so photographers could prep files to their liking in the comfort of a small office or studio not wide-format friendly, and job the "perfectly proofed" image file out to a calibrated service provider owning an 8400 or 9400, thus having complete confidence in how the print would come out?
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