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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2012, 10:30:09 AM »
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It (the "Creative Cloud") makes reasonable financial sense if you are buying the suite for the first time and if you routinely use more than 2-3 apps.
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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2012, 05:08:25 PM »
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Photoshop only also and the cloud numbers are ridiculous. Wanna bet also that the moment they lock out perpetual licenses the prices start to creep up? Of course the 'screw the europeans' pricing translates also to the cloud, now with even less excuses.

What I think many people will do is say 'I have LR to do RAW processing, for the stuff I need PS for, heck I don't need more than CS5/6 can do'. In most cases they would be right. I know that it's true for myself and my studio as well as my wedding business and that's why I'm still on CS5. There's a limit to how much need most photographers have for what is increasingly becoming 'gimmick upgrades' from a photographers point of view.

Some of these updates require upgrading on some systems and Adobe packages:

http://www.adobe.com/support/security/

I don't know how serious it is if you don't update/upgrade but it does make you wonder about the risks. There's no telling how far you can fall behind. Someone posted on another forum of a security update alert for ACR 7, the latest I have came with CS5.

Am I suppose to stop using the older version of ACR to prevent what might happen if I don't upgrade to ACR 7's newer security fix? Or is CS5's ACR secure as it is with all updates installed that were made available for that version in the past?
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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2012, 05:31:26 AM »
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Are these real risks for a system with a good antivirus and a savvy internet user?
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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2012, 01:16:08 PM »
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It's all a matter of probabilities, and the more protected you are in every which way the lower the probability of trouble, but if they are trying to market upgrades by scaring us with low probability security risks, in my case, at least, they are barking up the wrong tree.
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« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2012, 02:12:57 PM »
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Are these real risks for a system with a good antivirus and a savvy internet user?

How do you know if your antivirus is REALLY working? What can happen to your computer if you don't keep up to date? By the time something nefarious happens it's too late to hunt down the source. It could be anything.

For instance I'm a recent ID theft victim by someone filing tax returns in my name. I've never had any antivirus on my 4 Mac computers purchased in the past 10 years I've been surfing the internet.

How did someone get my SSN and DOB numbers? Every expert (ID theft divisions for credit bureaus, IRS ID theft task force, ChexSystems, SSA, H&R Block, my credit card company and bank etc.) all never mentioned computer hacks/software viruses/malicious code as the cause. I thought maybe keyloggers recorded my entering personal information online as a possible culprit. I installed a reverse firewall, "Little Snitch", found no keylogging call outs and sends or anything except a lot for Adobe and Apple which I allow.

I have to believe and accept the IRS is correct in saying I'm an ID theft victim without any physical evidence except what their computer systems tell them. When they finally sent me the letter confirming I was an ID theft victim, they were off by one digit in recording my apartment number.

And this after I mailed in writing my physical address with the correct apartment number as well as telling their ID theft CSR's four times of my new address and the IRS still got my apartment number wrong. The other administrative agencies mentioned above I've had to tell of my new address change didn't have this problem.

So am I really an ID theft victim? I didn't lose any money. Everyone's been "Johnny On The Spot" in catching this sending me messages from faceless people telling me this happened just like I have to accept the "Pop Up" dialog boxes from a piece of software telling me I've been infected by some "malicious code".

So in short...(yeah, I know, too late)...Life's a risk and we're all on our own. We're fooling ourselves if we think we can be protected by software. All it takes is one digit off to throw everything out of wack.
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« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2012, 06:19:13 PM »
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Seems to me that even the perpetual license cost factors have changed when you calculate license vs cloud costs. When I upgraded from CS5 design standard to CS6 design standard, Adobe was charging a higher upgrade fee because I skipped CS 5.5 design standard. If that is their new pricing model, then .5 releases will be considered a new version which will increase the amount we will have to pay to have a perpetual license and stay current. Wasn't it posted a while back when CS6 was coming out that if we didn't stay current with the versions, we would not be able to get upgrade pricing?

When I took the survey, I replied that I would always prefer a license to the cloud as long as the license was more cost effective.

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« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2012, 06:27:26 PM »
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... as for the cost, one needs to compare the new monthly carrying cost for the Cloud option with the most current version upgrade price divided by the 18-month up-grade cycle to see whether in real terms we are paying more per effective month of use or not. Perhaps I didn't get the whole picture right, but I don't think one needs to subscribe to the whole Suite just to use Photoshop. That deserves further checking.

Although Adobe doesn't seem to be promoting this too much, you can get the "Cloud" version of any individual program for $20/month.  So if they keep the same 18 month upgrade schedule, Photoshop would cost $360 for that period.  To compare, I paid about $190 for my "perpetual" upgrade to Photoshop CS6.  For the extra money the "Cloud" people get immediate access to new features (not having to wait for the next version):

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/features._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_solution_sl_membership-exclusive.html

Frankly, I don't find any of these new features particularly compelling, and certainly nothing I couldn't wait for in the next version.  In fact, my last couple of Photoshop upgrades have had more to do with Camera Raw improvements than Photoshop features.  I could easily skip a version or two, but Adobe has changed their formerly generous upgrade policy to current version only (as of 12/31/12).  I suppose the next step would be to raise the price of perpetual license upgrades, and/or to gather these "Cloud" features into .5 perpetual license upgrade every 12 months, count it as a full version, and require an upgrade to stay current.
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« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2012, 06:35:35 PM »
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Although Adobe doesn't seem to be promoting this too much, you can get the "Cloud" version of any individual program for $20/month.

Thanks, I missed that. That's a lot more reasonable. I'm still not comfortable with the cloud model though.
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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2012, 07:05:31 PM »
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Thanks, I missed that. That's a lot more reasonable. I'm still not comfortable with the cloud model though.

It's not particularly easy to find, but it's nearly double the current upgrade price.  I actually think the "Cloud" has some positives, especially if you need to use one of the other programs for a short project -- maybe Indesign for a book -- just pay for a couple of months. 

But, like you, I'm not comfortable with getting locked into a "perpetual pay or lose access" model.

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« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2012, 02:47:03 AM »
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It's not particularly easy to find, but it's nearly double the current upgrade price.  I actually think the "Cloud" has some positives, especially if you need to use one of the other programs for a short project -- maybe Indesign for a book -- just pay for a couple of months. 

But, like you, I'm not comfortable with getting locked into a "perpetual pay or lose access" model.


Rick, out of curiosity, how much didit cost you to master for instance InDesign? Reason asking is that iam looking at this subject from a total cost of ownership view, the licence cost being just one element, albeit an "out of pocket" one.
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« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2012, 03:37:04 PM »
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Rick, out of curiosity, how much didit cost you to master for instance InDesign? Reason asking is that iam looking at this subject from a total cost of ownership view, the licence cost being just one element, albeit an "out of pocket" one.

I've been using Photoshop (I don't use InDesign -- was using that as an example) since version 5.5 and still don't consider myself a "Master".  I've upgraded to every new version of Photoshop since, except for CS, at about $200 each.  If you need instruction you can add that cost to the software; it's pretty much become an entire industry.  I suspect that I've spent at least as much (if not more) on books and videos about using Photoshop as I have on the program and all the upgrades.

I'm not sure if this answered your question...
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« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2012, 03:51:54 PM »
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Talk about buying further into photoshop for years to come only makes me think of one thing.

This is still one of the worst architectural designs for a major software application ever.  It was true twenty years ago, and it's cumulative problems make it beyond ridicule today.  It's continued use is testimony to the incredible ingenuity and perseverance of talented users, and Adobe marketing muscle, and not in the slightest to continued technical innovation.

Long ago, Adobe should have redesigned this suite with a parallel processing and dataflow architecture with a virtual machine core.  At the level above that, they could implement any number of user interface models and scripting languages.  There could even be a compatibility module for masochists.

It seems to me that the VFX people are leading in the use of advanced design architectures in practice.  Compare compositing in photoshop with compositing in Nuke.
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