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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2012, 08:43:48 AM »
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America rules the world...or at least it tries to?

Right Stamper, I should have said "uninformed opinions."
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2012, 09:15:56 AM »
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Russ in the UK the BBC news - usually neutral bias - he is portrayed as definitely right wing and gaff prone with few redeeming features. Lampooned for his faults whereas Obama gets an easy ride from them. As to ruling the world I saw recently on the BBC from Obama that he and America wanted to lead the world, same as rules in my book. Obviously the coverage in the UK is a lot less and probably biased towards the Democrats. Undecided
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2012, 09:38:05 AM »
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The race boils down to democracy vs. socialism. Very simple choice for anyone paying attention.
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2012, 09:56:58 AM »
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Russ in the UK the BBC news - usually neutral bias - he is portrayed as definitely right wing and gaff prone with few redeeming features. Lampooned for his faults whereas Obama gets an easy ride from them. As to ruling the world I saw recently on the BBC from Obama that he and America wanted to lead the world, same as rules in my book. Obviously the coverage in the UK is a lot less and probably biased towards the Democrats. Undecided

Afraid so, my friend, and the problem isn't isolated to the UK. Most of the Western world is running in the socialist direction, including the US; and at the moment our president is leading the pack. All of us in the West are on the brink of an economic catastrophe, and considering how far we've gone in the socialist direction I doubt anyone's politics can pull us back from the brink. I think I'm young enough that I'll witness the crash, but old enough that I'll miss most of the aftermath. On the other hand my kids, grandkids, and great-grandkids are going to have to suffer through it. I was a kid myself during the "great" depression, and I can tell you that anybody who thinks the problems we've seen in the past few years are similar to those of the depression haven't a clue.
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2012, 10:21:26 AM »
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The race boils down to democracy vs. socialism...

Quite right!

Getting 1% richer = democracy

Getting 99% less poor = socialism

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« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2012, 10:30:56 AM »
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Most of the Western world is running in the socialist direction, including the US;

I say we abolish all fire departments due to their socialist nature.
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« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2012, 10:58:21 AM »
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The race boils down to democracy vs. socialism. Very simple choice for anyone paying attention.

why "vs", if majority votes for "socialism" here (USA) how that is not a "democracy" ? unless you mean something from the past... only white, male, landowners can vote... right ?
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« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2012, 11:10:41 AM »
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The race boils down to democracy vs. socialism. Very simple choice for anyone paying attention.

It's hopeless, Lou. As you can see from the responses: (1) there are very few people out there who know anything about history, and (2) what little they know doesn't fit their theories, so it comes down to "Which are you going to believe, the world's experience or your theories?" Bernanke, for one, has made his own choice very clear.

But I don't think "democracy" is the right word. Our own brilliant founders were scared to death of democracy, and the French revolution made clear the reasons to be afraid of it. At the moment we're seeing democracy at work in Iraq. The right word is "capitalism." Without that we're all in deep doo-doo. Even Jeremy is supported by capitalism, though I doubt he'll admit it.
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« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2012, 11:44:31 AM »
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The right word is "capitalism."

Nope ...  "ism"s are the problem.  Until you stop repeating 'ism'-based pablum, nothing can be discussed at all.
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« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2012, 11:46:46 AM »
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Well, I have to argue with stamper about the Beebís political stance: in my eyes (and ears), it leans far to the left of neutral. What else can you exect from a publicly owned service full of safe-career bureaucrats? But still, outwith politics, itís the main service I now watch other than Aljazeera, which has pretty good coverage of the middle-east events.

I also watch Sky News (when the cosy, cloying sofa broadcasting of Beeb breakfast news gets too much to stomach), and their stance regarding the US political election thing is madness: we get it stuffed down our throats whenever the carnivalís in town, and for the life of me I canít figure why. Itís not as if the UK voter has the slightest input to make, and going by the crazy system we are running Ė a coalition, for heavenís sake Ė we have nothing superior to offer as example to the States. Last I saw this morning, they (Sky) are totally absorbed in a five-year-oldís kidnapping. I try to stop myself being cynical, but I canít avoid noting that the folks doing the scene-of-crime interviews with the great unwashed are almost beside themselves with excitement. Another episode of entertainment and insincerity created out of disaster and dismay.

Our own public is like the Spanish one is now: in deepest shit with debt, yet the public rallies around Madrid centre waving flags and holding up placards demanding no cuts and better wages. Obviously, the message that years of spending what you donít have will always take you to a sticky end still hasnít come through loudly enough. I suspect that there are people who actually believe that governments have their own secret pile of money, and they but need be pressed into spending it. The banks are blamed for everything, which is terribly convenient for all the rest of them in political office!

Having said that, I think thereís a really valuable rŰle for governments to play regarding health and pensions. The problem, as with all publicly owned services, is that they become a monopoly and then no government has the guts to face them down. Correction: we once had a very strong lady do that, but she was eventually stabbed by her own tribal group. You just canít win. People are blind and see only what suits them at the time.

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« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2012, 11:48:02 AM »
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Nope ...  "ism"s are the problem.  Until you stop repeating 'ism'-based pablum, nothing can be discussed at all.

There you go. I knew it.
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« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2012, 11:53:09 AM »
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The right word is "capitalism." Without that we're all in deep doo-doo.

so that Great Depression was because we did not have enough "capitalism", right ? or 99% of folks here were living a happy life when JPM said (even if allegedly) "I owe the public nothing" ?
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« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2012, 12:28:14 PM »
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See Lou, this is exactly what I was talking about.
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« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2012, 12:53:45 PM »
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... But I don't think "democracy" is the right word. Our own brilliant founders were scared to death of democracy, and the French revolution made clear the reasons to be afraid of it. At the moment we're seeing democracy at work in Iraq. The right word is "capitalism."...

Russ, this looks more like another transcript from a secretly-taped Romney's campaign meeting with his buddies? Grin

And as long as we are looking for the right word (that doesn't end in -ism), how about: plutocracy?
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« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2012, 02:08:01 PM »
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Okay, Slobodan, what, exactly, do you think JPM "owed" the "public" other than to pull together disparate and scattered, inefficient bits and pieces to create things like GE and US Steel, both of which have contributed immensely to a US where we live with running water and electricity and take both for granted? It'd be interesting to hear a response on that from alphabet soup, up above, too.
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« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2012, 02:14:30 PM »
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Okay, Slobodan, what, exactly, do you think JPM "owed" the "public" other than to pull together disparate and scattered, inefficient bits and pieces to create things like GE and US Steel, both of which have contributed immensely to a US where we live with running water and electricity and take both for granted? It'd be interesting to hear a response on that from alphabet soup, up above, too.

he owed protection from expropriation for starters... and if you think that his wealth could buy a force to stop that on his own w/o buying a public then just look across Bering strait for an example of what happens if you have too many hoi polloi that you owe nothing.
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« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2012, 02:14:35 PM »
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... electricity...

For that you have to be grateful to my compatriot, not JPM.
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« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2012, 02:48:59 PM »
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There you go. I knew it.

Do you support the concept of municipal fire departments?
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« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2012, 04:19:41 PM »
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he owed protection from expropriation for starters... and if you think that his wealth could buy a force to stop that on his own w/o buying a public then just look across Bering strait for an example of what happens if you have too many hoi polloi that you owe nothing.

Sorry, Alphabet, I haven't the foggiest idea what you just said.
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« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2012, 04:22:02 PM »
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For that you have to be grateful to my compatriot, not JPM.

You're right, Slobodan, but JPM was one of the "robber barons" who produced what was necessary to make it widespread instead of confined to the very wealthy.
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