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« Reply #100 on: March 09, 2013, 08:33:27 AM »
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What do you do to produce the image's deckled edge treatment shown in _DSC0011.jpg?
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« Reply #101 on: March 09, 2013, 12:15:13 PM »
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For the metal print I used OnOnes Photo Frame 4.6 now discontinued.
Borders are now in Perfect Effects 4 part of the Perfect Photo suite 7.
When printing on metal a square or rectangular  looking printed edge can look funky.
(You cannot trim the uneven borders of metal prints after printing like you can with paper.)
A great way to take your eye away from those square printed edges or uneven borders.
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« Reply #102 on: March 09, 2013, 10:50:38 PM »
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I was wondering whether or not anyone has done any large C-Print. If not, your reasons against it? Thanks.
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« Reply #103 on: March 10, 2013, 05:18:17 AM »
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Thanks for the details Justan, I'll see if I can get similar materials here in sunny Australia and give it a go.

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« Reply #104 on: March 11, 2013, 10:27:04 AM »
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I was wondering whether or not anyone has done any large C-Print. If not, your reasons against it? Thanks.

Inkjet is so easy and affordable too.
Not color but if you want to see big, look at Clyde Butcher's black and white prints.
 Google "Clyde Butcher Technical Information" he has a whole page dedicated to the process.
The equipment and required space is huge.

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« Reply #105 on: March 11, 2013, 10:33:51 AM »
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C-prints are less durable, for one. Not sure about color gamut, but probably not as wide as inkjet.
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« Reply #106 on: March 11, 2013, 11:35:19 AM »
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For the metal print I used OnOnes Photo Frame 4.6 now discontinued.
Borders are now in Perfect Effects 4 part of the Perfect Photo suite 7.
When printing on metal a square or rectangular  looking printed edge can look funky.
(You cannot trim the uneven borders of metal prints after printing like you can with paper.)
A great way to take your eye away from those square printed edges or uneven borders.


> Borders are now in Perfect Effects 4 part of the Perfect Photo suite 7.

Thanks! I’ll have to play with Perfect Effects. I stopped by their web site and that is as far as time permitted.

I also looked at doing similar in PS and found some links which shared common themes.

http://www.wetzelandcompany.com/Photoshop_Tutorials/TornDeckleEdge.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_AJ3qJOL1w
http://www.earlkdesign.com/2012/06/make-your-own-custom-deckle-edge.html

Somewhere I saw a variant that not only has a deckled edge, but also the area of the deckle transitions appearance into more or less random colored brush marks against white.

> When printing on metal a square or rectangular looking printed edge can look funky.
(You cannot trim the uneven borders of metal prints after printing like you can with paper.)

I bet any kind of trimming on metal would be a lot of work.
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« Reply #107 on: March 11, 2013, 02:16:10 PM »
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C-prints are less durable, for one. Not sure about color gamut, but probably not as wide as inkjet.

Thank you. I've seen many huge C-prints in my recent visits to some local galleries.
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« Reply #108 on: March 11, 2013, 03:18:14 PM »
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Thank you. I've seen many huge C-prints in my recent visits to some local galleries.

I am speculating here, but I think the main attraction for galleries is that they can advertise it as "real" photographs, on photo paper, classical, traditional, rather than digital "trickery," for better or worse. You know, these days everyone has an inkjet at home, so artists (or "artists") have been trying to run away from such a "lowly contraption" in two directions: one would be using a fancy, artsy-fartsy name for it ("giclee" - French, thus must be artsy), the other using C-prints. Again, just speculating.
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« Reply #109 on: March 11, 2013, 04:02:44 PM »
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I am speculating here, but I think the main attraction for galleries is that they can advertise it as "real" photographs, on photo paper, classical, traditional, rather than digital "trickery," for better or worse. You know, these days everyone has an inkjet at home, so artists (or "artists") have been trying to run away from such a "lowly contraption" in two directions: one would be using a fancy, artsy-fartsy name for it ("giclee" - French, thus must be artsy), the other using C-prints. Again, just speculating.

That I don't know since there wasn't any particular sales pitch at any of those galleries. But those c-prints are huge in size.
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« Reply #110 on: March 11, 2013, 05:30:37 PM »
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That I don't know since there wasn't any particular sales pitch at any of those galleries. But those c-prints are huge in size.

I was refused by galleries because my prints are inkjet. Have not had any issues to speak of from museums with ink jet. But I donate and don't sell.

Good ink jet print will outlast the best type C...aka Fuji Crystal Archival. But Fuji still has an outstanding C paper that is maybe 90% as dye fast as the lower end pigment ink jet. Best of any of the wet papers I've tested for dye stability. But it still is no ink jet...at least when it comes to light stability. Have not tested them for long tern dark storage.
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« Reply #111 on: March 11, 2013, 06:27:56 PM »
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I have had no problems selling inkjets to museums.
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« Reply #112 on: March 15, 2013, 01:19:41 PM »
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Speaking of selling prints, can anyone recommend a preferred way of taking payments from overseas customers? I assume people are using Paypal, but I have little to no experience with it and am leery of using it until I'm comfortable with the process. Unless there's another preferred method? I just looked into direct bank transfers but the fees are roughly $50 ($35 on their end, $15 on mine). I understand paypal fees are about 3% which would work out to $13.50 on a $450 print.

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« Reply #113 on: March 15, 2013, 04:20:57 PM »
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I thought it was just my vision failing when seeing so many poor to very poor "C" prints in museum shows.
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« Reply #114 on: March 16, 2013, 01:26:52 PM »
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Speaking of selling prints, can anyone recommend a preferred way of taking payments from overseas customers? I assume people are using Paypal, but I have little to no experience with it and am leery of using it until I'm comfortable with the process. Unless there's another preferred method? I just looked into direct bank transfers but the fees are roughly $50 ($35 on their end, $15 on mine). I understand paypal fees are about 3% which would work out to $13.50 on a $450 print.

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I would say paypal is probably the most accepted, so you can't go wrong from a comfort point of view.  When I did this though I felt that Paypal cheated me because upon asking me to accept the payment, it had the currency equivalent in my currency listed.  Then when I got it in my account, there was yet another fee for currency conversion.  I couldn't get an answer from them as to why this currency conversion fee doesn't appear when I am given the choice to accept and the value in my currency is clearly shown (which isn't the amount that I ultimately ended up getting).  So just be aware that in addition to the Paypal fee, you will also get slapped with a currency exchange fee that you won't know about until it goes into your account.  If you never accept online payment, then Paypal is the way to go, but certainly if my business revolved around doing this regularly, I would look at other options.
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« Reply #115 on: March 16, 2013, 09:07:34 PM »
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Credit card companies do the same: they use the most unfavorable (for you) exchange rates to convert your foreign purchases, AND they slap you with a currency conversion fee on top of that. Then again, there are CC companies that do not charge conversion fees at all. So, PayPal is not unique in what they are doing.
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« Reply #116 on: March 17, 2013, 08:36:17 AM »
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Credit card companies do the same: they use the most unfavorable (for you) exchange rates to convert your foreign purchases, AND they slap you with a currency conversion fee on top of that. Then again, there are CC companies that do not charge conversion fees at all. So, PayPal is not unique in what they are doing.


Absolutely; that's why it suits me best to retain a credit card in pounds and another in euros. One uses them depending on where the thing's going to be used and invoiced.

Trouble is, you have to be able to pay them back in whichever place... bummer.

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« Reply #117 on: March 17, 2013, 09:12:39 AM »
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Credit card companies do the same: they use the most unfavorable (for you) exchange rates to convert your foreign purchases, AND they slap you with a currency conversion fee on top of that.

Oh absolutely, but in this case, Paypal is even more deceiving.  They would say...from a transaction from England, "Do you accept the payment of X pounds (Y dollars)?"  So they clearly show you what the conversion is and state you will receive Y dollars.  But then when you look in your account, the amout you received is less than the Y quoted.  When I called to ask why, they told me about the conversion fee.  Of course I tried to expalin why they didn't tell me about this conversion fee when I was asked to accept and was quoted the exact amout of money I should have been receiving but didn't... and got no reply.  I think for a company as big as Paypal it would be quite an easy software fix to show you how much money you will actually receive.. but alas.. that would be too honest.
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« Reply #118 on: March 17, 2013, 09:54:56 AM »
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Well, the same goes for their regular fees. While I know there is a transaction fee, you never see it next to the transaction amount until the final statement. The same with third-party ATMs: they'll warn you about the fee they are going to charge, but not about the fee your bank is going to add on top of that. Even your own bank's ATM will slap you with a fee when you withdraw money from your credit card, but you won't know about it until you get the statement (when it is already too late to reconsider the transaction).

In other words, nothing particularly exceptional or sinister about PayPal practices. In all of the above cases, it is all disclosed somewhere, usually in small print, but not during the transaction. Not that I condone it, but I file it under "life's little annoyances." Teams of marketeers, psychologists, economists, behaviorists, spent decades perfecting methods meant to induce you to spend more by hiding the true cost of it, by making it look smaller than it is. My pet peeve: after ten years in the States, I am still royally annoyed that my restaurant bills come up 25-30% higher than the sum of menu prices (tips and tax).
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« Reply #119 on: March 17, 2013, 11:59:33 AM »
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PayPal has enabled me to make and receive hundreds of payments. I wouldn't be without the service.
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