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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2013, 04:31:39 PM »
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Just to make clear,

I don't use my phone camera. I am a software developer and a nuclear reactor physics engineer but I never have sent an MMS. Cell phones I use for phone calls.

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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2013, 06:10:13 PM »
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Willow,

 It's about the people here - in some electronic way we know each other, and in fact often knew each other from a certain other forum. Incidentally, many of us own a lot of equipment and happen to shoot MF at times, but we mostly know how to use our equipment by now, so discussions have a tendency to deal with whatever is the novelty trend of the moment, eg.  stitching, supplying video to the client, using 35mm instead of MF where we would have used MF in film, using 35mm instead of MF digital, finding web galleries etc.

So I am sorry to have caused you a moment's worry about something out of place. My thread should have been entitled "What do you guys with MF and LF experience think about complementing your heavy equipment with a cellphone". Would that have helped?

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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2013, 06:18:44 PM »
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So I am sorry to have caused you a moment's worry about something out of place. My thread should have been entitled "What do you guys with MF and LF experience think about complementing your heavy equipment with a cellphone". Would that have helped?

One funny story from a recent PODUS workshop in the Palouse in Washington was that many of the guys with IQ 180's with Alpas or Phase One 645 cameras tended to stick their cameras on tripods and while waiting for the light tended to shot a lot of snapshots with their iPhones. One reason was to have some shots with GPS settings that could then be added to their IQ 180 shots. Handy since the MFDBs don't have GPS. And one one of the recent workshops I went to with Alain Briot (the Fine Art Photo Summit in Zion) two of my fav shots were a couple of iPhone 5 panos I shot of all the workshop attendees lined up for sunrise and then sunset.

Also, some guys with Alpas like to use an iPhone as an Alpa electronic viewfinder...so it seems even MFDB users might find a camera phone useful.
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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2013, 06:35:27 PM »
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Willow,

 It's about the people here - in some electronic way we know each other, and in fact often knew each other from a certain other forum. Incidentally, many of us own a lot of equipment and happen to shoot MF at times, but we mostly know how to use our equipment by now, so discussions have a tendency to deal with whatever is the novelty trend of the moment, eg.  stitching, supplying video to the client, using 35mm instead of MF where we would have used MF in film, using 35mm instead of MF digital, finding web galleries etc.

So I am sorry to have caused you a moment's worry about something out of place. My thread should have been entitled "What do you guys with MF and LF experience think about complementing your heavy equipment with a cellphone". Would that have helped?

Edmund


Edmund, I have been posting and reading this forums almost as long as you have, so I pretty much
know who is who on this forums.

As I said before, it is not your post particularly that bothers me. Its the trend that its too many scientists here
and too few photographers.
I understand that you like to hang out in the MFDB sections.
This is where the good stuff is  Wink.

Dont mind me. I will try to find a more photographer oriented forum.  Cool
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2013, 07:02:53 PM »
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Its the trend that its too many scientists here
and too few photographers.
do you know this one: http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.de/2006/06/great-photographers-on-internet.html
I like it. particularly the comments about William Eggleston and Bill Brandt...

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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2013, 07:17:19 PM »
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do you know this one: http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.de/2006/06/great-photographers-on-internet.html
I like it. particularly the comments about William Eggleston and Bill Brandt...

along the same lines on flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrerabelo/70458366
only revealing the true author of the picture after voting...
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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2013, 07:42:11 PM »
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Jeff,

The iPhone panoramas are indeed pretty astonishing. For myself, I'm also amazed how fast the newest phones are, and how well the screens allow you to compose, and the tech tricks they let you do. I have the 645 app on the phone, and it lets me lock focus and exposure markers to different points on the screen, something that sure would have helped me with past catalogue work on a big cam. In fact, I see no reason why an iPhone app couldn't provide these facilities when used as a finder for an SLR.

At Photokina, I was told two things by the CEO of a well known unnamed imaging company:
- Cellphones are basically driving sensor design now; in his point of view cameras just get the trickle-down.
- Apple is gobbling up imaging guys, sensor designers and even lens people. In his words "it's like there is a highway leading to Apple". Whether Apple will or will not announce a connected point and shoot in addition to the sophisticated 5-lens camera in the iPhone remains to be seen.



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One funny story from a recent PODUS workshop in the Palouse in Washington was that many of the guys with IQ 180's with Alpas or Phase One 645 cameras tended to stick their cameras on tripods and while waiting for the light tended to shot a lot of snapshots with their iPhones. One reason was to have some shots with GPS settings that could then be added to their IQ 180 shots. Handy since the MFDBs don't have GPS. And one one of the recent workshops I went to with Alain Briot (the Fine Art Photo Summit in Zion) two of my fav shots were a couple of iPhone 5 panos I shot of all the workshop attendees lined up for sunrise and then sunset.

Also, some guys with Alpas like to use an iPhone as an Alpa electronic viewfinder...so it seems even MFDB users might find a camera phone useful.
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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2013, 04:46:44 AM »
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Yeah, though I think I understand the irritated reaction towards this thread and its starter considering the number of the blablabalblabla vs MF threads that have shown up here over the years. I don't believe the intention of starting it was the same as the others.
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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2013, 06:17:02 AM »
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Jeff,

What are your problems with HASSELBLAD?  I have GPS on my Hasselblad, so apologize for saying MFDB don't have it..keep  shotting with your iphone..so now even pano with it? WTF!

U know the CA have garage sale, MA have yard sale..so if U buy a garage in CA in the yard in MA u have the land to build..I wish I can sue, they selling garage in yard in its no truth..They sale junk.  So now, 50% are waiting for the GOB give free cash free food,they have free phone, its iphone they R getting?  no one  want to work anymore,,woth all the free things..OH LORD..I think I will be like a lion eating my own kids one day.

Apologize to Hasselblad...
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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2013, 07:09:14 AM »
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Hello BlasR,

Jeff is instructing on PODAS workshops. That is Phase One.

He says the MFDB doesn't have GPS, that means the MFDB at workshop and not all MFDBs.  Now, the GPS is that in your Hasselblad body, or in the back? MFDB is the digital back. The camera is called an MF SLR (in case of Hasselblad). The back is the stuff behind the camera body.

Nice for you to have GPS in your Hasselblad, but Jeff technically talks about Phase One Digital Medium Format Backs.

So I don't think Jeff needs to excuse anyone.

Best regards
Erik

Jeff,

What are your problems with HASSELBLAD?  I have GPS on my Hasselblad, so apologize for saying MFDB don't have it..keep  shotting with your iphone..so now even pano with it? WTF!

U know the CA have garage sale, MA have yard sale..so if U buy a garage in CA in the yard in MA u have the land to build..I wish I can sue, they selling garage in yard in its no truth..They sale junk.  So now, 50% are waiting for the GOB give free cash free food,they have free phone, its iphone they R getting?  no one  want to work anymore,,woth all the free things..OH LORD..I think I will be like a lion eating my own kids one day.

Apologize to Hasselblad...
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« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2013, 10:46:12 AM »
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I have GPS on my Hasselblad, so apologize for saying MFDB don't have it..keep  shotting with your iphone..so now even pano with it? WTF!

You have GPS built in to your camera or do you have an external GPS receiver? Does Alpa offer built in GPS? Do Hasselblad or Phase One camera backs have built in GPS?

I guess you failed to get the gist of my post...that MFDB owners have found uses for using iPhones either as a external GPS recorder or as an electronic view finder...
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« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2013, 11:11:00 AM »
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Ok, Ok both of you.

Sorry, See, I said sorry.  Still i have my little device to know the location, in its worthless.


What about taking pano with a ipone?  are those photos are the one they are selling in groupon?
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« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2013, 11:13:03 AM »
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What about taking pano with a ipone? 

You must be too busy drinking and fighting off freeloaders to have noticed that the iPhone 5 has a very popular and effective panorama feature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtm4ySJQPOc
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« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2013, 01:26:49 PM »
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SO if I say cheeseeee i can do that?  the your president giving the iphone 5?  I have 4...if I get 5 i have to pay more tax, to give those the don't want to work.

I am NOT fighting at all, if i sale my camera i have to pay tax, if i buy a camera i have to pay taxes as well.  See I just complaining about what I have to pay for those the don't want to work.

but Jeff is from Chicago, so, he don't care. he do not like tea.Anyway, my phone do not understand me if i say cheese, tell me please tell me again, BTW i like her voice!

I need a glass of wine before i sell my kids!!
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« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2013, 06:10:46 PM »
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I have started using a Nokia N808 recently and this "thing" is driving me crazy.
It has a program called Camera Pro where I can use the full 41,5 Mpix, when I scale this down to around 20-25Mpix it beats my 5dMK2 hands down.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hartblei/8409012445/in/photostream

I think we have passed the point where this has  to be taken for serious now

If a 22 Mpix P25+ is Medium format, this is similar in the results. So.............

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« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2013, 06:19:35 PM »
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I've got an N808 too.  Quite amazing potential and it has a real flash too, not just and LED.   I haven't tried camera pro yet but should.   I have been frustrated by the lack of control of the shutter speed.

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« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2013, 06:25:01 PM »
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I have taken the liberty of making a crop from the largest size of Stefan's posted  image. It is frightening how sharp this is . As Stefan says, if this is a cellphone, and a P25 is a MFdb, then the phone beats the db.
I have started using a Nokia N808 recently and this "thing" is driving me crazy.
It has a program called Camera Pro where I can use the full 41,5 Mpix, when I scale this down to around 20-25Mpix it beats my 5dMK2 hands down.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hartblei/8409012445/in/photostream

I think we have passed the point where this has  to be taken for serious now

If a 22 Mpix P25+ is Medium format, this is similar in the results. So.............

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« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2013, 06:26:24 PM »
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Of course this is limited, but itīs in my pocket - always. and I get stuff that I wouldnīt shoot otherwise.
Itīs also pretty much wideangle at full res (about 26mm as 35mm equivalent).
Today I walked around Westminster/London and even though i had my DSLR in my Backpack I decided to do
all the shots with the Nokia. I am starting to getting used to it.

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« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2013, 10:31:19 PM »
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That is very impressive quality from such a small package Stefan.
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« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2013, 11:53:53 PM »
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Yes, the Nokia 808 can function as just a smart 'camera' instead of smart phone since it has so much camera goodness in it including a dedicated button on the side for the camera.   But as a phone it also has some amazing features - being able to brodcast your music to a fm station you select is cool and the sound quality from the phone is on par with the camera - very high!
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