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« on: February 18, 2013, 02:46:44 PM »
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Hi,

don't know but I guess it is mf because it looks like big budget. Two photographs: a portrait and a double spread. I don't know whether I'm allowed to criticize this, so count this as a stupid remark of someone who don't understand the big guys: The images don't look very elaborated. This is usually not necessary for a good image, but if one photographer and eleven other art people work together it could.

The link:
http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2013/02/18/the-daily-edit-the-new-york-times-magazine-ryan-mcginley/

The photographer:
Ryan McGinley

The 11 other important people:
Design Director: Arem Duplessis
Director of Photography: Kathy Ryan
Art Director: Gail Bichler
Deputy Art Director: Caleb Bennett
Deputy Photo Editor: Joanna Milter
Photo Editors: Stacey Baker, Clinton Cargill, Amy Kellner
Designers: Sara Cwynar, Raul Aquila, Drea Zlanabitni

Just crazy.

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Johannes
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2013, 03:06:28 PM »
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Design by committee?

The portrait appears overexposed, with highlights blown? "Walk the plank" one looks ok, but nothing terribly original or exciting.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2013, 06:36:56 PM »
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"Director of Photography" Huh?  Puhleeeeeze.
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2013, 06:52:01 PM »
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How many photographers does it take to shoot a cover?

Thousands...one photographer who got the job and shot it and the rest saying "I could have shot it better".

It's a job...you get it, you do the best you can when shooting and you move on. Not a big deal...not everything you shoot is great. Sometimes it's a challenge to just get a shot a client can use (often BECAUSE of the client).
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2013, 07:10:50 PM »
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This is editorial and the NYT magazine. Those listed are on the masthead of the magazine and not necessarily those involved in this one shoot.

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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2013, 07:27:59 PM »
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This is editorial and the NYT magazine. Those listed are on the masthead of the magazine and not necessarily those involved in this one shoot.

Ed


What Ed said.
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2013, 07:34:20 PM »
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I know and have worked with a bunch of these people.  Here is what they did:

Design Director: Arem Duplessis, approved the layout.
Director of Photography: Kathy Ryan, she is the head photo editor.  She loves Ryan
Art Director: Gail Bichler, Gail came up with the concept/mood.
Deputy Art Director: Caleb Bennett, Caleb runs errands for Gail and uses the computer.
Deputy Photo Editor: Joanna Milter, probably hired Ryan.
Photo Editors: Stacey Baker, Clinton Cargill, Amy Kellner, worked on other stories and maybe some for this piece.  Made the initial select from the take.
Designers: Sara Cwynar, Raul Aquila, Drea Zlanabitni, they did the layout.

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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2013, 09:21:03 PM »
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"Director of Photography" Huh?  Puhleeeeeze.

She is the lady that runs the photography department of the magazine.

In editorial work these people are worth their weight in gold and most of what they do is
facilitate the photographers job, make the right things available and advocate for the photographer.

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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2013, 09:23:33 PM »
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I know and have worked with a bunch of these people.  Here is what they did:

Design Director: Arem Duplessis, approved the layout.
Director of Photography: Kathy Ryan, she is the head photo editor.  She loves Ryan
Art Director: Gail Bichler, Gail came up with the concept/mood.
Deputy Art Director: Caleb Bennett, Caleb runs errands for Gail and uses the computer.
Deputy Photo Editor: Joanna Milter, probably hired Ryan.
Photo Editors: Stacey Baker, Clinton Cargill, Amy Kellner, worked on other stories and maybe some for this piece.  Made the initial select from the take.
Designers: Sara Cwynar, Raul Aquila, Drea Zlanabitni, they did the layout.



Creative departments work together and share credit in general rather than an "I did this and you did that sort of thing".

The credit list here is not for the photo, but for the cover and spread.
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2013, 01:13:49 AM »
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I know and have worked with a bunch of these people.  Here is what they did:

Design Director: Arem Duplessis, approved the layout.
Director of Photography: Kathy Ryan, she is the head photo editor.  She loves Ryan
Art Director: Gail Bichler, Gail came up with the concept/mood.
Deputy Art Director: Caleb Bennett, Caleb runs errands for Gail and uses the computer.
Deputy Photo Editor: Joanna Milter, probably hired Ryan.
Photo Editors: Stacey Baker, Clinton Cargill, Amy Kellner, worked on other stories and maybe some for this piece.  Made the initial select from the take.
Designers: Sara Cwynar, Raul Aquila, Drea Zlanabitni, they did the layout.



Thank you. I never stop to learn. When I shoot covers and stories in the late 80s / early 90s for a nationwide (not us, much smaller country) magazine (250.000 copies per month) there where far less people with less fancy job titles involved. I as a photographer got paid very well compared to todays rates. Recently I did a comparison with a friend. Cleaned of all cost increase at that time you got 3-4 times more money than today. Costs for computers, digital cameras not taken into account. If you read that list you know were this money goes now.

What I find funny is the different use of the same word in similar fields:
Director of Photography in film means a different position than in a magazine. But then the New York Times Magazine has a lot of video on their website too. Some day they have to clarify.

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Johannes
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2013, 02:00:10 PM »
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Creative departments work together and share credit in general rather than an "I did this and you did that sort of thing".

The credit list here is not for the photo, but for the cover and spread.

You are absolutely correct.
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2013, 04:17:23 PM »
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I worked as a journo for almost 30 years, as a columnist specialised in computers and then photography.
My hourly rates went down steadily in real terms, year by year.
I guess it's the same for photographers.
More content is used, but most of it is paid less.

Edmund

Thank you. I never stop to learn. When I shoot covers and stories in the late 80s / early 90s for a nationwide (not us, much smaller country) magazine (250.000 copies per month) there where far less people with less fancy job titles involved. I as a photographer got paid very well compared to todays rates. Recently I did a comparison with a friend. Cleaned of all cost increase at that time you got 3-4 times more money than today. Costs for computers, digital cameras not taken into account. If you read that list you know were this money goes now.

What I find funny is the different use of the same word in similar fields:
Director of Photography in film means a different position than in a magazine. But then the New York Times Magazine has a lot of video on their website too. Some day they have to clarify.

Best,
Johannes
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2013, 08:10:42 PM »
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All I know is... those are f*cking terrible photographs.
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2013, 08:25:34 PM »
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chuckle.
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2013, 01:38:25 AM »
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All I know is... those are f*cking terrible photographs.

"One mans trash is another mans treasure" or so the saying goes I believe Wink

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2013, 02:24:54 AM »
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The photos are great and it's nice to see everyone credited.

If I did the same I would have my dog credited for putting people at ease.
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2013, 09:11:18 AM »
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All I know is... those are f*cking terrible photographs.

Terrible is too strong a word.  I think unremarkable is more like it.
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2013, 09:51:33 AM »
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... facilitate the photographers job, make the right things available and advocate for the photographer.

What is that even supposed to mean Huh Like, bring Starbucks to the set?
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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2013, 12:30:45 PM »
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What is that even supposed to mean Huh Like, bring Starbucks to the set?


No someone has an unpaid intern from Ohio that will do that.

It's just kiss ass talk.

Means nothing.

IMO

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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2013, 12:33:41 PM »
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The photos are great and it's nice to see everyone credited.

If I did the same I would have my dog credited for putting people at ease.


That's not being fair to you dog.

I would imagine your Dog was "actually" in the studio for the shoot.

Your dog can't talk but knows how to display a thank you and most importantly your dog knows crap when he smells it.

IMO

BC

P.S.  In all fairness, shooting the photograph is not hard.  Being the guy/girl that gets that gig . . . that's hard.


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